Talk:Moff Gideon

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The lead should specify that "Moff" is not a name but a rank. Debresser (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And I really think that unless that is done, this can not be a good article. Debresser (talk) 15:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The more I learn about Wikipedia the more I see that articles can pass quality reviews despite being riddled with mistakes and even basic failures to follow Wikipedia's own guidelines, and that includes Good Article and Featured Article reviews. (Wikipedia has a great many rules and recommendations, it seems strange that more of the quality review process has not been automated.)
 * You can try to fix the mistakes, or as it says in the Good article box at the top of this page you can challenge it and ask for reassessment. Please read the guidelines. Particularly part where it says "To tag an article, is placed at the top of the article talk page." You should not remove the Good article template from an article even if you have very good reasons to disagree with it, but I welcome you to try the reassessment process. -- 109.76.196.68 (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, so be it. If this section was here for three weeks and nobody, including editors who supposedly brought this article to good article level, saw fit to mend this crucial omission, then it is not worth my efforts. Debresser (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * On any news article you are lucky to get one comment for For every 100 or even a 1000 readers. The chance of any reply to a Wikipedia talk page comment is very small. From notes and comments I've read elsewhere there was an effort by one or more editors to improve various Star Wars The Mandalorian character articles in early 2020 before season 2 even came out and during a time when many people were in lockdown. They might not have this article on a watchlist, or they might respond eventually.
 * I was interrupted and did not submit a comment I had intended to post before your reply, it follows: The article already says "The term "Moff" is a title for a high-ranking Imperial official". Are there further specific changes to the wording that you think are necessary? We can just go head and make changes instead of getting the article reassessed. (WP:BRD starts with BOLD changes, if anyone reverts we can discuss further.)
 * So to reiterate, I'm willing to try and copyedit the article further if you can clarify what problems you can see, that I'm missing. I'm guess we need to remember that the word Moff is like saying the word "General" and so the article should use it only very sparsely, hardly at all. (For comparision, in an article like Han Solo you might write the full name "Han Solo" repeatedly but you probably wouldn't write "General Solo" over and over.) -- 109.76.196.68 (talk) 23:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to see you make an edit to clarify this. Yes, I know it is in the Backstory section, but since it is part of the title of the article it can not be lacking from the lead. Debresser (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm still not entirely sure what you see is wrong with the article, or are you saying my earlier guess was basically correct? -- 109.76.196.68 (talk) 00:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyway, i took a stab at it. Where it felt necessary to write Moff Gideon I did, but I then tried to only write "Gideon" after that in the same paragraph or section. "Gideon", it sounded a little strange at first but I got used to it. Gideon. I decided against changing anything in image captions, and deliberately wrote his full title "Moff Gideon". I was reluctant to trim the wording of the Reception section, but I may re-evaluate that later. Hopefully that seems like an improvement, and hopefully if anyone disagrees they will discuss or make small changes to improve the article in a different way. -- 109.76.196.68 (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good edits, sure enough. My point, however, is that the lead section should explain that "Moff" is a rank/function and not part of a name. As long as that is not mentioned in the lead section, there is something crucial missing from this article and it is misleading. Debresser (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Be WP:BOLD make the change yourself. Failing that propose your change on the talk page first (ideally of the form change X "example text before" to Y "sample text after"). Looking at the article Grand Moff Tarkin and comparing it to Moff Gideon I don't think intro needs to be changed to explain rank in the lead, explaining it later seems like enough. (I'm thinking if this was Shogun Gideon, we wouldn't explain that it was a military rank in the lead either, and if it was General Gideon we definitely wouldn't.) I could be mistaken though, so show specifically by example what you think should be done, maybe then it will seem like an improvement. If you are waiting for other people to do it for you could be waiting a very long time. -- 109.76.198.190 (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I would have made the change right away, since being bold is not a problem for me, but in this case I prefer not to. Which I why I started a talkpage section. Debresser (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)