Talk:Mojave Air and Space Port

SpaceShipTwo engine explosion
Shouldn't this be in SS2 and not Mojave Spaceport? 132.205.44.5 02:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no reason not to have it in both places. Yes, it's significant for the program, but it's also a significant event for the airport as well.  AK Radecki Speaketh  13:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Shorter names in Spaceport template

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Guiding vision behind spaceport - source text
Popular Mechanics has a good article on the spaceport including the following on its history. I think that, reworked to avoid copyright issues, the information below should be included and quite possibly a page put up on Dan Sabovich.

Mojave's earliest airport was scraped into the desert in 1935 to serve the surrounding gold and silver mines. The government appropriated it during World War II as a Marine auxiliary air station, where Corps pilots received gunnery training. When the Marines pulled out in 1961, the airfield might have slowly reverted to sagebrush if not for an aviation-obsessed rancher. Dan Sabovich, who liked to fly his V-tail Beechcraft Bonanza from his own strip on his spread near Bakersfield, Calif., had a vision for the underutilized facility. He imagined Mojave as a civilian test-flight center that would cater to experimental aviation and be run by its own elected officials who could shield the airfield from political interference and protect its spirit of adventure. Sabovich had the political savvy to match his outsize vision; in 1972, after enduring several years of his intense lobbying, the state created Mojave's special airport district.

Sabovich ran the airport until 2002; he died in 2005. But the marriage he envisioned between public spirit and private enterprise lives on. Today, most of the airport district's board of directors are tenants, pilots or both.

No time to do it now for me. Hopefully somebody else will take up the edit or I'll get back to it later. TMLutas (talk) 17:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I just read the PM piece and came over here to place a link on the Talk Page; you beat me to it. N2e (talk) 00:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Citation formatted -- ready to use in the article
Here is the citation to the PopMech article mentioned by TMLutas, already formatted in the preferred format for Wikipedia articles: I just used it in another WP article. N2e (talk) 18:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't a location closer to the equator, say near La Paz, Mexico in south Baja California be a better location for a space port? 69.174.171.59 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC).

Mojave Air & Space Port
If there are no objections, I suggest renaming the article to Mojave Air & Space Port to match the usage by the East Kern Airport District. See http://mojaveairport.com/ for verification. Ikluft (talk) 16:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree.  AK Radecki Speaketh  05:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "Insert current name here" might be a better choice, then we won't have to keep moving the article everytime the name gets tweaked! ;) -
 * The facility's name didn't get tweaked. Wikipedia didn't follow correctly last time it was changed.  I'm not sure how that happened.  But that's where we are. It does need to be fixed. Ikluft (talk) 00:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ikluft (talk) 01:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Mojave Air &amp; Space Port → Mojave Air and Space Port — This is the actual name of the facility, as opposed to the designed promotional form, which uses the ampersand. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:38, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Although the website's front page does indeed use the ampersand, in the text throughout the website, "and" is used exclusively. For instance, this is from the "About" section of the website (I've added the emphasis):

Mojave Air and Space Port has since evolved from a sleepy desert general aviation destination to a world renowned flight research center spanning 3300 acres, hosting the latest and most advanced aeronautical designs. Hosting 40 companies engaged in light industrial to highly-advanced aerospace design, flight test and research to heavy rail industrial, Mojave Air and Space Port and industrial park might very well be a destination for your business.

Over the past three years the infrastructure has been upgraded to accommodate significant flight line development and industrial manufacturing utilizing common industry components which complement each other. The wind industry and aviation industry rely heavily on composite fabrication using carbon fiber and fiberglass technology - both reside at Mojave Air and Space Port. The commercial aircraft industry relies heavily on firms located at Mojave Air and Space Port to perform aircraft inspections, storage and part-out. Many specialty firms at Mojave focus specifically on engine development, noise reduction technology, advanced cockpit display development and major airframe design modifications. Mojave Air and Space Port is home to the National Test Pilot School where more test pilots are educated than any other site in the world.

Our upgraded rail infrastructure and switch engine moves product in and out of Mojave Air and Space Port with 34 daily rail car shipments. Mojave Air and Space Port is home to a full-service wheel shop that makes up one of the largest non-railroad networks in North America. Progress Rail operates nine wheel shops strategically located across the United States, allowing

This is from the "Manager's Message":

Mojave Air and Space Port emerged as the leading aerospace test center for commercial operations in North America. No longer a sleepy high desert general aviation Mojave Airport destination, Mojave Air and Space Port has amassed more first flights and significant news worthy flight activity than any other airport in the world over the past five years. Currently home to over forty (40) companies engaged in flight development to light industrial to highly advanced aerospace design, flight test and research and even heavy rail industrial manufacturing, Mojave Air and Space Port and industrial park might very well be a future destination for your business.

Over the past five years we have upgraded infrastructure, added 3,000 feet of runway and integrated a new commercial development taxiway system. Aerospace and Industry are flocking to the High Desert and Mojave Airport specifically to design, test and produce tomorrows leading edge products. The wind industry and aviation industry rely heavily on composite fabrication utilizing carbon fiber and fiberglass technology, both resident at Mojave Air and Space Port through a network of design, fabrication and testing firms. The commercial aircraft industry relies heavily on firms located at Mojave Airport to perform aircraft inspections, storage and part-out. Many specialty firms at Mojave focus specifically on engine development, noise reduction technology, advanced cockpit display development and major airframe design modifications. Mojave Air and Space Port is home to the National Test Pilot School (accredited in 2006) and Flight Research Incorporated where more test pilots are educated than any other site in the world. Flight Research activities include endo and exo atmospheric craft supporting private sector and government funded projects. In 2004 Mojave Spaceport hosted the Ansari XPrize suborbital space flights. The only American's to reach space in 2004 from a United States craft did so from Mojave Spaceport.

Our upgraded rail infrastructure and switch engine moves product in/out of Mojave Air and Space Port with 34 daily rail car shipments through a license agreement with Union Pacific. Three companies operate on our rail spur moving raw product onto the airport and manufactured product out.

This is from "Staff":

"Serving the flying public and Community Businesses takes a team of dedicated people whose primary goal is to ensure that your needs are met. Whether you are a transient pilot needing fuel or a CEO looking for a new home for your company, the staff at Mojave Air and Space Port is available to listen and to help."

This is from "Aerospace Testing / Breakthroughs and Firsts":[

When it comes to global 'firsts' in flight, flight test, and aerospace, the Mojave Air and Space Port has been a consistent breaker of records and aerospace barriers. Here are a few groundbreaking — and sometimes record-breaking — innovations that were born at Mojave Air and Space Port.

[...]

The development and launch of the experimental SpaceShipOne was arguably the biggest 'first' in the history of Mojave Air and Space Port'.

Here's information from their "Contact" page:]

Map and Directions:

Google Maps: Mojave Air and Space Port Physical Address: Mojave Air and Space Port 1434 Flightline St. Mojave, California 93501 Phone: (661) 824 2433 Fax: (661) 824 2914 or 2620

And so on and so on. The use of the ampersand (&) is clearly a design element, and is not an actual part of the name of the facility, as they themselves indicate with their own text. Since the name of the facility is clearly "Mojave Air and Space Port", that should be the name of the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. MOS:TM clearly supports spelling out the and. Andrewa (talk) 09:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support -- it would appear that the formal name of the entity spells out the "and", so WP ought to do the same. N2e (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Agree, the official name has the and spelled out.  GB fan  talk 18:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 *  Oppose  "&" and "and" are the same thing. Sign My Guestbook! User:Sumsum2010 19:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC) Changed to Support per the discussion just below Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly that is not the case. "&" is used as a shorthand for "and", but they have different connotations: one is informal, the other formal. In any event, we should use the one favored by the organization itself, which is clearly "and", except when they're being breezy and promotional and use "&". Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should point out that the closing admin will not merely count the "votes", they'll also look at the arguments and particularly how they relate or fail to relate to Wikipedia conventions and policies, which represent broad and long-standing consensus. The "vote" count is usually a good indicator of this but that's all it is. The official name doesn't have a lot of influence on this decision as policy stands at present. No change of vote. Andrewa (talk) 00:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Unvote the Oppose and replace it with a Support. That makes more sence but still they are very similar. Sign My Guestbook! User:Sumsum2010 01:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that the comment below above Unvote the Oppose and replace it with a Support refers to this vote, if so at this stage there is unanimous support for the move. Not altogether clear to me, so please correct me if I'm wrong about this. Andrewa (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with your interpretation. (And I've moved your comment down so it doesn't look as if my response above starting with "Clearly that is not the case" is a reply to your comment.) I've refactored the vote above to represent this view, and Sumsum2010 should undo that if I have misinterpreted his intent. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Ampersand should be avoided.  Skinsmoke (talk) 22:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Expansions and enhancements at the spaceport
News article here, 9 Aug 2012. "The projects include improvements to two of the airport’s three runways, the extension of utilities to new areas, the installation of high-speed Internet services, and the development of a large building for meetings and special events. The airport is receiving $4.319 million in FAA grants to upgrade runways 4-22 and 8-26."  —  Cheers. N2e (talk) 06:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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