Talk:Monash University/Archive 1

Size of campus
The article as it currently stands says the Monash Clayton campus is the largest university campus by area in the Southern Hemisphere, at 100 hectares (1 km²). But Murdoch University here in Perth has a campus of 247 hectares. - Mark 13:10, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I have gone ahead and removed the offending statement. Both Murdoch and ANU have larger campuses than Monash. - Mark 13:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I would say the largest single campus in Melbourne is actually LaTrobe university's Bundoora campus - I've visited both Monash and the LaTrobe campuses and I distinctly remember my impression of LaTrobe as being enormous, it seemed to go on forever with a lot of parkland; Monash is only a little bigger than a couple of city blocks.

Removed
What appears to be nothing more than a vanity link, considering the other Notable Alumni.

"It is one of Australia's "Group of Eight" leading universities"

The Group of Eight is not a group of leading universities. It is a lobby group, thats it. It does contain what are clearly some of the leading institutions, but it is mearly a group of universities with the most money and resources pooling their resources for lobbying the government. The above reference makes it sound like Monash is one of the 8 top universities in the country becsuse it is in the Go8. Rank universities by the The Times Higher Education Supplement and other proper resources not by membership of another organization that clearly states that it wants to be seen as a lobby group only.--Maverick05 14:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Maverick has a point. Ambi, why do you disagree? Would it help if it said "It belongs to Australia's "Group of Eight" universities."? --Bduke 11:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Here is what the given reasons as to why Ambi believes I am wrong. Plus my responses.

They are the eight universities with the highest entry scores FALSE (yeah sure if you look at only the top couple of courses that’s true, but look at the whole picture and you will see that it is far from the truth, the University of Melbourne has two of the highest entry requirements for courses in Victoria, but they also have the two lowest in the state, don’t be selective), the highest demand FALSE(in Victoria, my area of expertise, the highest demand statistics showed up as a mix between the University of Melbourne and Deakin, not a Go8 member), the “highest prestige” (true perhaps, but prestige is a ridiculous statistic, prestige is gained simply by the fact that these universities have been around the longest, who really cares, what SHOULD be the measurement of how good a university it is now not 100 years ago), “and the best job prospects” (prestigious stereotypes may lead this to be somewhat true, but in fact if you look at the detailed breakdown job entry rates from Melbourne and Monash the gap is very small, again archaic stereotypes lead people to believe that job entry is easier from these universities, they really hold very little advantage).

I know this sounds trivial, but this is a stereotype that I am frankly sick of. I have been trying to push through this stuff in my work for years and everything I can do to stop it I will do it. --Maverick05 11:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have added another reference to the Go8, one that is not misleading, its not good, it doesnt sound good, but to be i dont mind how good it sounds as long as its not misleading. If we keep misleading information on this site we defeat its entire purpose.--Maverick05 11:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to make it clearer that it is largely a lobby group, be my guest. However, moving it down below a sentence about the size of the Clayton campus is nonsensical. "I have been trying to push through this stuff in my work for years and everything I can do to stop it I will do it." Wikipedia is not a place to push an agenda. Ambi 01:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Whats there now is fine by me. What I meant by the comment before, in my work i encounter many people who have an attitude that Go8 universities, especially the sandstones, deserve preferential treatment, and that these universitys are automaticly better in every way shape and form. If a resource such as wikipedia reports the Go8 universities as better, just because they are Go8 members, that attitude will continue and continue to cause problems. --Maverick05 06:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Faculties
It appears that the list of faculties is outdated and incorrect. No longer does the School Of Physics And Materials Engineering exist. I am unaware of the reseach centres associated with the, now, Department Of Materials Engineering; nor do I know which centres relate to the School Of Physics. I will make changes to the faculty list concerning the School Of Physics And Materials Engineering when I am more informed on the issue. However, other faculties may need to be checked and amendments made as necessary. - 01:16, 04 Mar 2006 (UTC +10)
 * Why isnt the David Dehram Law School in the Fac listing? Man this page needs a heck of a lot of work Domza 11:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * can we break out the faculties into its own page, cause its messy as all hell. PLEASE? Domza 01:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Faculties have now been reduced to their names, with links providing more details as to precisely what they incorporate. Many of these new faculty pages are fairly information-light at the moment. This makes the page much neater, I think —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Profb21 (talk • contribs).

This page talks about the "particularly notable Law School" and further down "notable David Derham Law School." This probably isn't enough mentions of the "notable" and/or "particularly notable" law school, perhaps we should include "very notable", "most notable" and of course "incestuously notable" to the other adjectives used for this law school. The law school should also be mentioned at least every third sentsnce as it is obviously the glue that binds the university together.

Engineering Ranking
The article says "Its Engineering Faculty was also ranked number 1 in Australia and approximately number 16 in the world according to THES 2004/2005.". According to THES 2004/2005 It is the Univesrity of New South Whales with a ranking of 16th in the world and 1 in Australia.

Rankings here (you need to register for a free 14-day trial to view the rankings): http://www.thes.co.uk/statistics/international_comparisons/2005/top_100_tech.aspx

--Gms 14:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think I should mention that the reference used (number 33) is a paper published by the University of Melbourne. Predictably, it ranks itself as the best overall university for engineering.

Gippsland Campus
This subsection states: "Gippsland Campus Gippsland campus is home to 2,000 on-campus students, 5,000 off-campus students and nearly 400 staff. The campus sits prettily in the Latrobe Valley's little town of Churchill, 142km east of Melbourne on 63 hectares of landscaped grounds. It is the only non-metropolitan campus of Monash University."

I'm planning to change this to: "Gippsland Campus Gippsland campus is home to approximately 2,000 on-campus students, 5,000 off-campus students and nearly 400 staff. The campus is situated in the Latrobe Valley town of Churchill, 142km east of Melbourne on 63 hectares of landscaped grounds. It is the only non-metropolitan campus of Monash University."

Any objections? Tinkstar1985 05:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no problem with that at all, and there's nothing wrong with being bold and making the edit right away, because "sitting prettily in a town" is hardly the sort of tone that you'd expect in an encyclopedia. I've gone ahead and made the changes for you. invincible 05:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The synchrotron is NOT an electron microscope
Therefore i have edited this abomination out of existence


 * You should have signed your work. The Synchrotron may not be an electron microscope but it can be used for microscopic analysis.  It is in fact a particle accelerator.  You can't delete this section entirely, its far too important! Manic4wiki 12:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Radio Monash
Hello. The result of a recent AfD discussion was to merge the relevant contents of Radio Monash into this article. Given that I'm the one who originally posted the article for deletion, it's only just that I take my share of the work resulting from the discussion. :-)

Anyone wish to chime in before I get to work? Is there a preferred way active contributors to this article would prefer to see this done? Coren 17:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There is mention of Radion Monash at Monash Student Association but nothing at Monash University. I think something of the redirected article should be added, but I'm not sure what. --Bduke 22:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

VC's term of office
I came here looking for when Richard was appointed, and couldn't see it. It would be useful to change the sentence saying he is the VC to include "(since January 2003)" (or whenever it was) and possibly to include "and is due to retire in January 2008" (or whenever it is) Natebailey 03:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It states that the current VC is leaving to take up the chair of the AVCC, but the cited article only says that he's taking up the position - not that he's quitting as Monash VC to do so. As far as I know, the chair of the AVCC has generally been a sitting vice-chancellor. Is there a source for this? Rebecca 01:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I actually think the Monash Memo article is wrong, and he is being appointed as President, rather than as chair. I can't find a reference for this, so I've had to stick to what Memo said (although as you point out, I've assumed his retirement from Monash, which I only know by word of mouth). BTW, in searching for this, I've found a reference for when he started. Natebailey 08:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe the correct date is March 2009 (but still no reference! :-) Natebailey 12:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge here of Monash University Accident Research Centre
This stub has been around since July 2006. It still does not assert notability and it has no external references. It should be merged into a very brief paragraph in the main Monash article. Please give your views below.

The MUARC has provided a conduit for Tenix to tax the Australian motorist by producing 'research' justifying the use of red light cameras and speed cameras. Making Australian roads safer has been subjugated to satisfying corporate greed.
 * Merge as above. --Bduke (talk) 02:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The MUARC is a blot on the reputation of Monash university and would be best forgotten about altogether.Nickcoop (talk) 09:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The MUARC is the leading accident research centre in the Southern Hemisphere. Its work has influenced government policy in a range of areas all over the world. It would be preferable to improve the quality of the independent article rather than merging it. Merging it would probably labouriously require restructuring and adding a new section to the Monash University main article. It also raises tricky questions as to which Monash research centres merit their own pages and which do not. I am happy to edit the current page to improve it and justify its continued independent existence.Profb21
 * Do not merge

Profb21's previous editing of the MUARC page read like an advertisement. My own comments to add some balance were deleted by Profb21. The corruption of academic honesty at the MUARC casts a smear over Monash university. It is not anything to boast about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickcoop (talk • contribs) 04:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It has already been noted that "MUARC is the leading accident research centre." This is quite correct. The article should be expanded---not deleted. Why? First because MUARC is a jewel in the crown of one of Australia's best universities. Second, because it's research is often controversial and people want to know about it. Third, it's a very rare organisation amongst Australian universities in that it's entirely privately funded. And finally, because it has a long list of prominent staff and students such as Prof Peter Vulcan, Prof Ian Johnston, and Pros Claus Tingvall (I'm not sure of the spelling of the last one). The stub for MUARC is important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.199.84 (talk) 14:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do not merge

The MUARC is indeed an important institution, and should have its own article. JimBreen (talk) 02:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do not merge

History section
If no one opposes, I propose creating its own article. it's long enough. Michellecrisp (talk) 01:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds fair to me. Many of the American universities have seperate articles for those already; would be good to get going. Rebecca (talk) 03:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Chancellor's role
It seems a little understated to describe the chancellor's role as largely ceremonial. Certainly the last few chancellors have had a significant impact on the direction of the University. As chair of the council they have significant influence. Natebailey (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Photos of the Menzies building
As much as I loved the hours of my life that were whiled away in lectures and tutes in the Ming Wing, is it neccessary to have two pictures of the Menzies building very close together at the top of the article? I know it's a miracle of modern engineering to keep the wind tunnel upright but surely someone can find some pictures of any other buildings on campus?Kimdimsim (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Headings restructure
If nobody opposes it, I propose restructuring the article slightly to simplify the headings and bring it into conformity with other universities, in accordance with WikiProject Universities.

My suggestion is to group Sport and Student Organisations under a new heading called Student Activities. Rankings and Faculties could also be grouped under a new heading called Education and Academia, which could perhaps also include a new sub-heading on Admissions, as there is too much information on admissions and student demand in the introduction. Profb21 (talk) 09:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

"Advertising" notice
I'm a representative of Monash and we're a bit concerned that our main Wikipedia entry has been marked with a "This article is written like an advertisement" for at least a month.

We're also concerned by a few incorrect assertions made in the article, as well as a negative mention of a drop in rankings that doesn't seem to be mentioned on any other university article we can find.

We've very deliberately stayed out of Wikipedia until this point because we have no intention of manipulating our own entry, however, we do think it would be best if, at the very least, the inaccuracies were removed and the tone of the introduction changed so that the "advertisement" claim can be removed.

As an example: (a) Monash is not technically "home" to the Australian Synchrotron; we don't own it. (b) Our student numbers have changed since the release of the 2009 Pocket Statistics referenced in footnote 4. (c) Universities such as Adelaide and Macquarie have also had their rankings dropped when comparing the 2010 QS with the 2009 THE QS. It seems somewhat peculiar that only Monash's "drop" is mentioned in the introduction to the article.

JRRivett (talk) 05:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I removed the advertising tag from the top of the article, the IP that added it in December did not explain why they felt the article was advertising and I do not think the article is bad enough to need that tag. I also removed the rankings from the lede, they are listed further down in th article.  I don't see them as important enough to need inclusion in the lede.  I will look at more later.   GB  fan  13:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated GB Fan. Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.194.103.63 (talk) 21:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Collections
In the section on the MUMA, it says that the museum is located in the Clayton Campus. Isn't it at the Caulfield campus? Or is it at both perhaps. Lcohalan (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the Monash website the move has been completed. I've updated the article. — Manti  core  07:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

ranking
Ranking

This page seems to aim to mislead by having a New York Times survey referenced from 2011. Perhaps hoping unsuspecting people will think this is the Times Higher Education Ranking? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greensborough (talk • contribs) 11:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

monash latest ranking(2008) by economist intelligence unit ranking is 47 http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2008rankings —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.52.35.7 (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit war
I have protected this article, because of the continuing edit war, which has to stop and be discussed here on the talk page. I am concerned that the edits by User:128.250.5.246 have never given a reason for removing sections that discuss the high appeal of Monash. Since the IP comes from another university in the same city, that is a problem. However I too have to admit a conflict of interest, as I have an adjunct unpaid position at Monash. I have to say though that his edits do have have some merit. Both paragraphs do appear to be over promotion of the university. I would be happy to see them both removed, but they could perhaps be cut back considerably. I do not think they add much to the article as they stand. So could the several editors who have been restoring this material explain why they are so important for the article. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  22:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

An IP editor who is likely the same editor as User:128.250.5.246 has again removed this material without giving any reasons and this has again been reverted. I have reorganised the material slightly, but I still think that this section should be cut back further as it is mostly self-promotion. Please discuss it here, and not just keep on removing it and then restoring it. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  06:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with your actions, BDuke. The same IP has recently added a biased pro-Melbourne Uni edit to that article, so I suspect they have an agenda. 1292simon (talk) 07:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Qualification Verification page - not as useful as you think
A note to editors. I tried using Search for Monash Graduates for getting graduation dates of people for biographical articles. It seemed at first that no-one prominent has graduated, but a quick phone call to the university found that only graduates from around 2000 onwards are loaded in this database, which is a pity as the web-form allows graduation dates to 1858! Alex Sims (talk) 04:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Alumni
I'm no lib, but it seems a little stupid to list John Lenders ("former treasurer of Victoria") on this page but not Peter Costello (Australia's longest serving Federal Treasurer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.120.171 (talk) 16:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Do they really have to be mentioned in the second paragraph? I get that it is relevant information, but let us think about putting these people further down, at least it is one small way of making this aticle sound less like of an advertisement and more like an encyclopedic entry. ProfNax (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Another comment, could the list be changed to be the same number of individuals but include living and dead alumni so to give a better historical view and avoid WP:Recentism? Alex Sims (talk) 04:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Update to Faculties section
In mid-2014, the Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences created the Sub-Faculty of Biomedical and Psychological Sciences. I was considering adding this to the "Faculties" section of this article, but I was wondering if such specific information would be better kept to Monash University Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences. Thoughts? Amdou4 (talk) 15:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Ranking incorrectly listed as New York Times
The "Ranking" section includes New York Times as a ranking, when the ranking is clearly not by NY Times.

The source article, from which the reference (currently on this article) gets its image from, says the ranking is that of Emerging and Trendence, two different consulting firms. The official name for the ranking is Emerging/Trendence Global Employability Ranking.

The entire article makes it clear it isn't done by NY Times:

"The study is meant to give “universities, recruiters and students the most valuable of tools: a road-tested blueprint of where it’s best to study in order to get a job,” Emerging said as it released its findings."

Just because NY Times wrote an article that includes a table from Emerging/Trendence, doesn't make it a NY Times ranking. As far as I know, NY Times does not have a ranking of universities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melbourneexpert (talk • contribs) 08:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Also see http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/world/europe/recruiters-without-borders-companies-scout-globally.html?pagewanted=all for the NY Times' new report of the Emerging/Trendence survey (para 6, 7). Emerging, a consulting company related to education, is who the ranking is carried out for and Trendence does the market research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melbourneexpert (talk • contribs) 02:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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History and halls of residence
I'm a representative of Monash University and would like to submit for review some suggested updates to our main Wikipedia entry. We have no intention of manipulating our own entry, however we believe the following additional facts would be beneficial for the entry.

List of former Vice-Chancellors and Chancellors
We would like to suggest the inclusion of a list of former Vice-Chancellors and Chancellors either on this entry or the 'History of Monash University' entry.

I've included links to the Monash University content as a one potential source to review and verify.

http://www.adm.monash.edu.au/records-archives/archives/formerofficers/vice-chancellors.html http://www.adm.monash.edu.au/records-archives/archives/formerofficers/chancellors.html

Names of residential halls
There is also some information on the people our new residential halls have been named after. This could be included under 'History of Monash Clayton Halls of Residences and Colleges' to match the content provided for the other colleges and halls. Again I've provided links to our content simply to suggest facts that can be verified.

Briggs Hall Briggs Hall is named after Mrs Geraldine Briggs AO who had tribal connections to the Yorta Yorta tribe on her mother's side and the Wiradjeri tribe through her father. She was awarded the Order of Australia in 1991 for her work in the Aboriginal community. https://www.monash.edu/accommodation/accommodation/on-campus-options/clayton-urban-community/briggs-hall

Campbell Hall Campbell Hall is named after Emeritus Professor Enid Mona Campbell AC, OBE, the first female professor and then dean of a law school in Australia. https://www.monash.edu/accommodation/accommodation/on-campus-options/clayton-urban-community/campbell-hall

Holman Hall Holman Hall is named after Emeritus Professor Mollie Holman AO, physiologist, researcher and Personal Chair in Physiology. https://www.monash.edu/accommodation/accommodation/on-campus-options/clayton-urban-community/holman-hall

Jackomos Hall Jackomos Hall is named after Mrs Merle Jackomos OAM who has tribal connections with the Yorta Yorta Nation and was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia on 26 January 1987 for service to Aboriginal welfare. https://www.monash.edu/accommodation/accommodation/on-campus-options/clayton-urban-community/jackomos-hall

Logan Hall Logan Hall is named after Emeritus Professor Mal Logan, geographer and university administrator, Vice-Chancellor and President of Monash University from 1987 - 1996 https://www.monash.edu/accommodation/accommodation/on-campus-options/clayton-urban-community/logan-hall

Turner Hall Turner Hall is named after Associate Professor Ian Turner historian and political activist https://www.monash.edu/accommodation/accommodation/on-campus-options/clayton-urban-community/turner-hall

Thank you for your consideration

Ddgbrown (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

University rankings
I'm a representative of Monash University and would like to submit two ranking updates for our main Wikipedia entry under the 'Ranking' section.

Times Higher Education World University Rankings THE-WUR World - we are now ranked 74 (previously 73)

U.S News World and World Report Ranking USNWR World - we are now ranked 79 (previously 84)

Thank you for your consideration.

Ddgbrown (talk) 04:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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