Talk:Monchy & Alexandra

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The article still needs considerable editing for style and sources. It presently is mostly a PR / fan-type article that fawns and falls short of a neutral POV. The duo does meet the criteria for musical notability -- they have won major music awards and been nominated for others, have generated considerable sales, and Google searches indicate they are frequently named as a hallmark example of bachata or vallenato-influenced bachata music. I did try to improve on the sources, but I'm a total novice at Wikipedia source citation. Lawikitejana (July 26, 2006)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Monchy y Alexandra → Monchy & Alexandra – Per WP:UE, the artists are listed as Monchy & Alexandra on Allmusic, Billboard, and Amazon. Erick (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Still read "y" either way - Not sure what WP:UE has to do with it, since "&" is just as Spanish as "y", i.e. es:Monchy & Alexandra is still read "y", the 2006 "Éxitos & Más" is "Éxitos y Más" not "Éxitos and Más." After all this is a Spanish-language duo from the Dominican Republic who have never sung anything in English and are totally unknown to non Spanish-language bachata fans. It's true that "Monchy & Alexandra" did get 9x more use in Billboard than "Monchy y Alexandra." But the "y" could be there in the article title because the editors who built the article want to reflect that fans of "Monchy y Alexandra" refer to the "y" even when naming them in English, just as Dominican Republic's Jossie Esteban y la Patrulla 15 and various other foreign non-English-language bands have "y" in their names. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Because that's how they are listed on reliable English-language sources. See other Latin duos: Wisin & Yandel, not Wisin y Yandel, Alexis & Fido, not Alexis y Fido. As for your example with Jossie Esteban, it's fine the way it is because that's how English-language sources including Allmusic and Billboard list the band as. Erick (talk) 02:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Mmm. allmusic.com is not WP:RS. Billboard, although it is print and WP:RS, is not a good model for style issues, for example Billboard are Way Crazy For CapS EverywherE. But it seems a shame when we also have English language print sources like Batanga magazine 2006 Page 69 in the review of The Rough Guide to Bachata (World Music Network) which prints "This comprehensive guide to bachata music features ... Monchy y Alexandra, Antony Santos, .." (like Billboard also does sometimes for Monchy y Alexandra) so given a choice between Batanga magazine and allmusic.com it would be "Monchy y Alexandra" still. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Since when was Allmusic not reliable? Not only is it on WikiProject Albums/Sources, but it's always been accepted as a reliable source. I did check Billboard magazines on Google Books and saw what you mean, but I noticed that earlier magazines wrote the duo as "Monchy y Alexandra" and then referred to as "Monchy & Alexandra" on their later issues. Another important factor I saw was that the CD covers for their albums has them listed as "Monchy & Alexandra". Erick (talk) 18:32, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I see allmusic.com article shows it more substantial than I thought. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:59, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per nom — DivaKnockouts (talk) 22:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
 * ✅. That leaves a lot of double redirects; a bot should fix them, but I will check tomorrow that it has. JohnCD (talk) 23:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)