Talk:Money shot

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So what longer text is this copied-and-pasted from, and why is it in past tense?

Cum shot
This might be a little off-topic, but I just want to elaborate on the following one. So, according to the article, the cum shot is this filmed moment the audience has paid to see. Considering the fact that the predominant majority of the audience of porn films are men, they all pay to see another guy cum. Doesn't this make you kinda gay, if you pay to see stuff like this? Not that there is something wrong with being gay, but if I watch a porn film, I want to see women cum, not men, for God's sake! White rotten rabbit (talk) 13:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe the male audience indientifies with the male actor. Anyhow, the cum shot shows that the action is performed "100% real". I don't like it either, but apparently it's critical for a porn movie's success with the widest possible audience... --11:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.156.253.205 (talk)

Sense of the paragraph does not flow.
The reference to the use of the term in pornography is a disjointed mess of a paragraph which doesn't answer the question it raises: whether it means the scene the audience paid to see, or the scene the "actor" got paid for? The last sentence including quote from Linda Williams gives no clarification on that at all (and it is not at all clear that the quote from her is even refering to which of these it means.) I am going to be bold and remove the last sentence and try and improve the rest a little. 82.18.164.15 (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Other possible usages without pornographic connotations
Besides the intro's main definition, has the term any usage in the sense of a particular scene / set-piece being a one-take matter, so that if it doesn't go correct, the money used on it would be wasted? I don't want to insert original research, but just wondering if this might be another context in which the term has been used by a director or cinematographer?

Definitely needs expansion in the intro
To help balance the article the term could be explained as it is used in general cinematography a bit more fully. There might be quotations from on-set discussion for instance between a director and cinematographer. If something along this line could be found then it might help fix the issue of undue weighting towards pornographic usage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.133.139 (talk) 19:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation
It's clear that there are multiple meanings of the term Money shot in different areas (the rather non-standard "in ____" headings demonstrate that), so I think the best way forward here is to convert Money shot into a disambiguation page: its use in pornography could list it as an alternative to Cum shot, in journalism we could merge the current section (and add additional material) to make a stub Money shot (journalism), etc. Any thoughts?  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  22:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * What would be standard titles for subsections if "In Journalism" etc are not? Do you mean disambiguated into three articles? I suppose that could be done (though I don't know how to set-up a disambiguation page myself). Not sure what a stub is? Also do you mean three separate articles linked to from a disambiguation page. Something like this?


 * Money Shot(Journalism)
 * Money Shot(Film)
 * Money Shot(Pornography)


 * Whatever way it is done I think the two senses of it, that is to say the mainstream sense of a special-effects scene (as explained under In Film) and the pornographic sense need to be disambiguated.DMSBel (talk) 23:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm suggesting converting this article into a disambiguation page; something like:

 Money shot may refer to:
 * Money shot (journalism), a photograph considered valuable to a news story
 * Money shot (cinematics), the "best" scene in a movie
 * In pornography, "money shot" is an alternative to the phrase "cum shot"

 Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  00:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * That seems fine.62.254.133.139 (talk) 20:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, sports usages of the term "money shot" can be found as early as 1928. Perhaps this sense could be included in any disambiguation page also.


 * I encountered the term "money shot" last month during a broadcast baseball game, and realized it's been quite some time since hearing the term outside its very-late porn context. As u|Giftiger wunsch has indicated, the term derives from photojournalism, meaning a photo that couldn't be staged and was therefore "exclusive" to whatever newspaper bought it from the photographer, likely at a price far higher than the more pedestrian shots; I've found it referencing a blazing explosion at a factory fire, and a midair photo of a suicidal woman plummeting to her death. To my knowledge, appropriation of the term for movies was rather late, edging in on more common descriptors such as showstopper (which rates only a disambig) that would have been applied to spectacles such as Busby Berkeley productions, and later (maybe) to intentionally blockbuster films, but (at a guess) it didn't gain traction due to its association with yellow journalism.


 * The term evolved to sports, indicating something like "money-making action shot" in, again, a photojournalism context — a baseball hitter at full swing extension, a motion-stop exchange of blows in boxing, two airborne Indy cars, the division-clinching touchdown — that was then generalized to point up some moment the speaker felt to be of high significance.


 * Seeing as there's already a Cum shot article, discussion of that usage in Money shot is gratuitous at very best. Yet fully half the citations in this stub are to "scholarly" works about video porn. Of the remaining four, one is to a glossary and another to a standard dictionary. Clearly, Money shot needs much work in order to be more than a minor footnote in The Wanker's (One-)Handbook (and at that only an aside to the Cum shot entry). Weeb Dingle (talk) 17:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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