Talk:Monsters (2010 film)

budget?
Can someone find a better ref for the budget amount? Budget number of $15,000 at top of article uses reserveresult.com as ref (budget amount doesn't seem to be mentioned in the video there). Budget number near bottom has been changed from $250,000 to £250,00 but the next ref (traileraddict.com with what seems to be same vid) seems to have no mention of the budget amount (including the video). Failed to find budget amount at Monsters website and magpictures.com. --EarthFurst (talk) 02:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, at London's FrightFest (August 28th 2010) the figure of £15,000 was mentioned.Twobells (talk) 20:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

IMDb has an estimated $15000 here Dylan (talk) 16:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Plot
Is the plot really this bad or did someone make it so the synopsis sucks....I haven't seen the movie..just wondering.--Alex Maione (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The synopsis is pretty bad, with numerous errors. Should be rewritten or deleted. Examples of errors: his son is not "estranged"; the ring is to pay for the trip escort, not just a bribe; they are traveling through Mexico, not Central America; there is no "terraforming"; the evacuated region where they arrive is probably Southern California or Arizona, not Texas; she speaks to her fiancé on the phone, not her father; neither "reconciles" with their family; the aliens are probably mating. --Kai Carver (talk) 10:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I just saw the movie and she does speak to her father... what are you talking about? --Againme (talk) 18:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The "evacuated region" shown after the border crossing is Galveston, Texas, shot right after Hurricane Ike while the island was still evacuated.
 * The scene just after they cross the border is typical Texas coastal plains, it could certainly be the Texas coast just north of the border. There is, on the other hand, nothing like a jungle for hundreds of miles in any direction, so the idea of them walking there from the jungle encrusted pyramid in a half a day or so is laughable.Baron ridiculous (talk) 22:34, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed the description to fit exactly as the places are presented in the movie, but clearly the film director does not know the geography of Mexico and Central America. The initial title says the protagonists are in San Jose, Central America (the capital of Costa Rica?), not Mexico, but when reaching the coast they are in Mexico (do they travel across Central America up to Mexico?). Also, the movie credits do not include Belize, so I delete it from the list of shooting locations.--Mariordo (talk) 03:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, if they start in San José, Orange Walk District, they can easily travel a little to the north and to the coast of Mexico. --Againme (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * But San Jose in this film was a big city, not vilage. --Zipacna1 (talk) 20:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * A Mayan Temple in the Rainforest at the Mexican-US border. There isn't much more to say about this movie... --Echosmoke (talk) 16:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I feel as though the current plot summary doesn't accurately convey the movie. It doesn't have a description of the ending (beginning) of the movie where the military vehicles carrying Andrew and Samantha are attacked and their fate is uncertain.

Genre
This discussion is probably only going to be cared about by, so I will mostly make this a message to you. Why does this film need all of those genre descriptors? I agree that I shouldn't have removed "independent", but "science fiction monster film" is excessive. I think we need to do a source search to see what most refer to it as. My guess is that our result will be just science fiction, which I think describes this film the best as the titular monsters seldom appear. Thoughts? Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard) |undefined(my stuff) 11:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC) Some sources:
 * Allmovie: Genre(s): Science fiction. Sub-genres: Creature film and Sci-fi disaster film.
 * AV Club: "low-budget science-fiction film"
 * The Guardian: "a thrilling postmodern sci-fi film", "terrifically exciting sci-fi movie"
 * LA Times: "lo-fi sci-fi construct 'Monsters'"
 * Toronto Star: "There are monster movies, made by real fans of the genre...Into this...first category steps Monsters"
 * Roger Ebert: "Drama, Foreign, Science Fiction, Thriller"
 * Empire: "less a mumblecore movie with monsters than it is a sci-fi picture which never loses sight of the human factor"
 * The Hollywood Reporter: "broad sci-fi sensationalism."

I'd say that's a solid list, but I didn't go through every single source (other than Allmovie and AV Club, these were just the top few critical reviews on Rotten Tomatoes). If you find more, post them here of course. But at the moment, we have seven calling it sci-fi, two calling it a monster movie, and one calling it a drama and thriller. I'm thinking, based on all of this, that the lead should say "independent science fiction film." Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard) |undefined(my stuff) 11:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think when we start defining the genre of a film on wiki, there's two ways to go about it. In the case of Monsters, we can either simplify it as a "science fiction film" or include the main genre, which is science fiction and follow it with the sub-genre, which is the monster genre. The Godzilla and Pacific Rim pages have followed this same pattern of genre formatting for wiki. I agree that we should keep it simple but WP:FILMLEAD never states that the genre has to be completely restricted to generalizing the film as one genre. If someone were to label Monsters' genre as an "independent science fiction monster drama road film", then it would be excessive. I believe that keeping the "science fiction monster film" definition for the genre illustrates what the film's major genres are. The film is called Monsters after all. Armegon (talk) 00:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The primary reason I think it needs to be limited is that "independent science fiction monster film" is really bloated. That's it, really. I'm not really sure how we can resolve this :p


 * I totally disagree with the comparisons to Godzilla and Pacific Rim though, as they are vastly different in how they use their monsters. Sock   ( tock talk)  10:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * True, the films do use their monsters differently but what Monsters does have in common with Godzilla and Pacific Rim is that the monsters themselves are the main source of the principal characters' problems. Without the monsters having some sort of effect on the main characters and the story, the films themselves would hardly be considered monster films, they'd just be science fiction films with monsters in the backdrop. Monsters does have that monsters-in-the-background type of story but it's like I said, the creatures themselves are affecting the goals of the main characters, the story itself exists because of the monsters. Should that not be enough to label the film as a science fiction monster film?


 * Additionally, it sounds "bloated" when you reference it as an independent science fiction monster film. "Independent" or "Indie" is not really a genre, it is a type of production funded without the aide of a major company. Armegon (talk) 05:57, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You restored both on your original revert, so I figured I'd at least restore independent. I was referring to the original wording, which was the primary bloat. I think docking "independent" and adding monster film would be agreeable, just so it's short but it covers everything. Good suggestion! Sock   ( tock talk)  10:56, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think we can do without the "independent" part. I'm certain readers will see the film was an indie project when they see the budget in the infobox. Armegon (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Movie Errors
This movie has so many errors its not even funny. They jump from clearly central mexico to guatemala/Mexico area with pyramids, then back to central mexico then back to central america like forests and mountains. There are NO PYRAMIDS near the US BORDER. Nor there are such kind of vegetation or that many rivers next to the US border. 187.254.145.22 (talk) 09:26, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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