Talk:Mont Mars

Requested move 5 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 09:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Monte Mars → Mont Mars – "Mont Mars" is far more widely sourced on the Internet that "Monte Mars".&#32;--Simoncik84 (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Simoncik84 (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Favonian (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)  — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Mountains of the Alps and WikiProject Mountains have been notified of this discussion. Polyamorph (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What evidence do you have that "Mont Mars" is a more commonly-used name in English than "Monte Mars"? — hike395 (talk) 13:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: Evidence supporting the claim of WP:COMMONNAME has been requested. Favonian (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Hike395, please find this evidence: Aosta Valley Tourism Board, Monte Rosa Tourism Board, Aosta Valley Natural Areas and Bard Fort (Alps Museum) official website. Simoncik84 (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Individual examples don't really support the "far more widely sources on the Internet" claim. Some data relevant to WP:COMMONNAME I just found:
 * Google Ngrams shows "Mont Mars" occurs in English books, but "Monte Mars" does not
 * Google Trends shows a very small number of search queries for "Mont Mars", but none for "Monte Mars".
 * I could not find either in Britannica
 * Not sure this is enough to establish a WP:COMMONNAME — hike395 (talk) 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "Mont Mars" is the French name, used in the Aosta Valley region. "Monte mars" is the Italian name, used in Piedmont and in the rest of Italy as well, see here (Peakbagger entry), or on the guide book of Touring Club Italiano(here), or on Lonely Planet guide book (here) .--Pampuco (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We are talking about sources in English. @Hike395, so the article can be renamed? Simoncik84 (talk) 14:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the proposed move is plausible, but there's so little data that I can't say we've identified the WP:COMMONNAME with high confidence. — hike395 (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's keep in mind that we're talking about a minor summit, we should therefore relatively consider the sources quantity. I remind that the sources I've provided with for "mont Mars" are in English and published by official (government or museums) local websites, while no source in English for "monte Mars" is provided, unless I'm not wrong. Simoncik84 (talk) 10:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: Additional relist to give more editors the chance to review the evidence BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Weak support, the sources on the nature reserve provided use "Mont Mars" for both the nature reserve and the summit itself in text, and are English-language sources with weight. Adding in Ngrams supporting "Mont Mars", and the sources provided for "Monte Mars" being non-English sources gives "Mont Mars" a little more weight. However, it could be argued this is a WP:USENATIVE case due to the low amount of sources, and under WP:MLN use the name in the language of the area. However it would have to be determined what is the exact local name or language used, considering "Mont Mars" is universally used for the nature reserve in Italian, so too uses both names in Italian.  Dank Jae  17:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In order to clarify the native and/or local toponym, I remind that the Aosta Valley is nowadays an officially bilingual French-Italian region, where these two languages have exactly the same official weight. Moreover, summits and toponyms in general are mostly all natively French in the Aosta Valley, since this language was the only official one from 16th until the 20th century. On the Aosta Valley's official maps website you can check that "Mont Mars" is the only official version. Simoncik84 (talk) 14:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)