Talk:Montel Vontavious Porter/Archive 1

Birthday.
OWW lists him as being born in 1970. Which is it? There's no way he went pro at 16. VelvetKevorkian 01:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And why not? Daivari had his first pro match at 15. Romis 19:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Because look at the guy and tell me that he's only 20 years old. VelvetKevorkian 21:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Born in 1970
Guys, I don't know who keeps reverting the edits to 1985, as it does look like unregistered users. But other sites have MVP listed as 1970, which appears about right. Who supports locking this page to unregistered users?

P.S. To those who keep reverting it back to 1970 besides myself, thanks. Jgera5 02:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC). ok juss guessing i dont think its ether. ok i read the artical and i was thinking sence he said that he started getting into gangs when he was 12 so if he went in when he was 12 then he may be 21 but i doubet it


 * From the article "At age 16, I was sentenced to 18 years with a mandatory 3 years. All total I did 9 ½ years."«»bd(talk stalk) 14:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

TTB
we should add the TTB back into his finishers with an (OVW) parenthesis
 * I don't think it shoulda been moved cause other Superstars have previous moves on there Finisher list.

Intro Music note (Silkk Tha Shocker "I'm Comin'")
I put down that this was Mark Henry's music, because it was Mark Henry's music before he changed it to "Some Bodies Gonna Get It" by "Three 6 Mafia". It was never intended for the boogieman, who ever started that up was totally wrong. Govvy 16:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Either way it's not incredibly relevant to the article, so both notes have been removed. Neither claim has been cited.-- bd (talk to me) (watch me) 17:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually Mark Henry never used I'm Comin'. When he stopped using "Echo", he started using Some Bodies Gonna Get It

Vandalism
Somebody has changed his height/weight, as well as other things upon reading this page. Perhaps it needs to be locked for only members to edit? --203.33.164.44 11:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

PRISON

what the hell this has to be fake

MVP
is his apperence at survivor series worth any note at all?

or his winnig streak with deadly cage matches?

or his inferno match?


 * No, not at this point, no.«»bd(talk stalk) 23:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Current picture
it looks like MVP has eaten a skunk, had violent diarrhea, and then smelt it. please can we find new one Mr Richardson 21:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hasaan Assad is his real name.
Hasaan Assad is the real name of Antonio Banks/MVP. Just because it hasn't come out until now doesn't mean it isn't true. One of the most respected reporters of wrestling says that it is true. I am going to go with what he says as opposed to going with what everyone thought was true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:XNightfallx (talk • contribs)
 * Needs a real source. Every other source to this point has said Antonio Banks, including interviews with the man himself. Just because Dave Meltzer says something doesn't make it so, and until he provides proof it is considered possibly libelous. Do NOT add it back.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you can't just tell me not to add something back. Dave said that he got that info from people who worked with Assad/Porter in Deep South Wrestling. I don't know what would make you happy aside from MVP saying that it is in fact his real name. Why would anyone think to ask if his real name was or wasn't Antonio Banks? It sounds like a possible name. Nobody asks actors in  interviews if their stage name is their real name. You just come to expect that a name that sounds like it could be real IS real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:XNightfallx (talk • contribs)
 * Please sign you comments using four tildes, like this: ~.


 * I can tell you not to add it back because it violates wikipedias rules on biographies of living people, specifically the sections on possibly libel and Verifiability. "He heard it from a guy who worked with him once" is not verifiable, especially when everything else, everything that is verifiable, says something else. Any time it's added back it will be promptly removed. People adding it back with only Meltzer to back it up will be looked upon as vandals.«»bd(talk stalk) 11:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you could figure all of this out by looking at criminal databases. Search for an Antonio Banks, and a Hasaan Assad in Florida. He was convicted of a felony, so it would be on record, and might even be online.Shatterzer0 02:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The burden of proof falls upon those making the assertions, so doing the research falls upon those who want the article to say that his name is Hassaan Assad. Peace, The Hybrid 04:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Why does it really matter the guy probably changed his name after 9/11 because Hassaan Assad is a name of an accused terrorist I believe. 86.143.91.36 22:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't that be OR anyway? --Maestro25 16:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Surely this deserves a mention at least, sure as "one source has indicates his real name to be Hassan Assad"

He has good reason to lie about his name as wrestling often has stereotypical characters and with a name like Hassan Assad, he'd get given a poor Arab/terrorist gimmick very quickly
 * Though he has an Arab name, isn't he African American?

Appearantly, Hassan Assad is an alias. An offender information search at http://www.dc.state.fl.us/AppCommon/ reveals his name to actually be Alvin Burke Jr. The birthday and the picture matches, and lists Hassan Assad as an alias. I cannot hardlink the search, but a search for either Hassan Assad or Alvin Burke Jr will give you his information. A search for Antonio Banks gives no results. I am not sure where to go with this article with this information, so I thought I would post it here for others to look at. 74.71.246.6 23:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You have to click the inmate release search results link after performing the search. Forgot to sign in for the comment added above Okuzaone 23:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That most certainly does seem true.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the profile. Sr13 07:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting a stable link, and taking care of the edit. I didn't want to change anything without being able to directly link to a source. Okuzaone 07:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That link uses a session ID which is not stable, I changed the url on the page to a stable non-session link. –– Lid(Talk) 07:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

His Real Name
His real name is actually Hassan Assad, he lied to WWE, which was revealed earlier today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.1.146 (talk • contribs)
 * See above. See the notes in the article. It needs real proof.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He took the name in prison when he converted to Islam. His given name is Alvin Burke, JR. 65.189.210.173 20:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

At Wrestleview and Wrestlinginc, they both claimed that MVP converted to Islam in prison and the Malcolm X tattoo is a prison tattoo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crippler4 (talk • contribs)
 * And they get that from WON, and WON is not a reliable source.«»bd(talk stalk) 02:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Signature Moves
I don´t think the "Sitout Side Powerslam" should be listed as a signature move, since he only used it once as a counter to Kendrick´s Sliced Bread #2. Just getting a win with it doesn´t make the move a signature move. 89.48.241.57 15:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He only used it once On SmackDown!. There is life outside of McMahonLand.«»bd(talk stalk) 16:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn´t talking about wwe. i´ve seen enough of him outside of smackdown to be able to say that he doesn´t, neither hasn´t used that move frequently... 89.48.232.45 17:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the hell is this
shakes head mvp is the damn us champion and this is all you guys write about what about how he retained agaisn't flair and all that and also couldn't we get a better pic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.141.161.245 (talk • contribs)
 * The Flair match was not part of a feud, had no build up, and nothing special occurred during or after it, it is non notable in every way so there's no reason to mention it. The picture used it free. It will not be replaced unless a better free use image comes along.«»bd(talk stalk) 19:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

heart problem
...?http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/articles/4791380/mvpmostvaluableprogram —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.11.226.218 (talk • contribs)
 * Went ahead and added it to the lead, since it has nothing to do with his career really. If more comes of it we can add more later.«»bd(talk stalk) 20:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Article Name Chance Proposal
I think the name of this article should be named MVP. I have been looking all throughout wikipedia for this man's article, only to find that the name of it is Alvine Burke. No WWE fan is going to look up Alvin Burke if they're trying to look up MVP. Trust me! The name of this article is ridiculous. No one knows him by this name. Well at least not the general public. And the name of the article should be something the general public knows as its information for the general public. Maybe Alvin Burke could be added into an article about MVP that it is his actual name, but this article is useless and wont get as many views or edits as it could if it were under tha name everyone knows him as. Please write if you oppose or agree down below.

Strong agree per my reasons above. Masta P 08:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your contributions seem a little too familiar. Regardless, the acronym "MVP" is most commonly known as being short for the term Most Valuable Player, not Burke's current ring name. - Deep   Shadow  09:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose That's fairly ridiculous reasoning. Montel Vontavious Porter already redirects here, and is on the MVP disambiguation page. Under no circumstances will this article overtake the real meaning of MVP, and since Burke has used two ring names (not to mention two real names) the only thing to use per Wikipedia naming conventions and (exhaustive) discussion on the Pro Wrestling Wikiproject is his sourced real name.«»bd(talk stalk) 12:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per Bdve.  The Hybrid   T / C   12:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per above reasoning. Makes perfect sense all things considered to keep the article here. Bmg 916 Speak 13:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per above. Gavyn Sykes 14:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Debut
According to the article his debut was in 1998 tho he was released from jail in 1999 is this a mistake or was he able to wrestle pro from jail? SimonD 23:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added citation tags for this. --  Oakster  Talk  07:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

he made his wrestling debut in 2001 at a Future of Wrestling (FOW) event. You can find photos of this at Montel-Porter.org.--Smoxsamantha (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Tag Team Reign Over
I think it should be noted that on the November 16th edition of "SmackDown!", he along with Matt Hardy lost the tag team titles to John Morrison and The Miz. 4.225.82.21 (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * its done NiciVampireHeart (talk) 17:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Signature Moves
Why is the springboard shooting star press and split legged moonsault listed as signature moves MVP has used during his wrestling career? I've never seen him use that move in his career. Get me some proof of him using these, and I may consider believing you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoxsamantha (talk • contribs) 06:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He used them in DSW, as noted in the article. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

umm. no he didn't. get me some proof.--Smoxsamantha (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

longest reigning double champion
i think mvp might be the longest reign as a double champion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.141.160.138 (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not even close. (Sawyer 03:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC))

Just out of curiosity, who is?Kirby17 14:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyone know? Who in WWE was a double champion for for than 77 days? Because that's quite an accomplishment.66.79.235.7 (talk) 17:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You do the legwork.«»bd(talk stalk) 18:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It's either MVP or Bruno Sammartino. But the page didn't say what month Bruno's tag title reign ended, so there's no way to solve this. Kirby17 (talk) 04:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Appendix Hardy
Can someone please add that after Porters knee attack on Matt Hardy, Hardys appendix burst and WWE has changed this into an angle? Theyre insinuating that Hardys appendix was caused by stress from the attack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.119.27 (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's really not notable at this point, unless when Hardy comes back it's worked into an angle. If that's the case, it'll be added. If not, then it stays off the page. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

long us title reign
i think it should be mentioned that his the longest reinging us champion in the last DECADE!!! and that his the longest reinging us champion in wwe history. wwe history not wcw those a slightly longer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.246.195 (talk) 05:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

More Recent news
Will someone add his rivalries with Rey Mysterio and Ric Flair to the page? Grossguy1211 (talk) 22:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Grossguy1211
 * Two matches with Flair does not constitute a rivalry, and his fued with Mysterio wasn't notable as nothing exciting happened and it only lasted for about 2/3 weeks. There is no point in including them on the page. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

MITB Money In The Bank
i added some info about money in the bank match he defeated Jamie Noble in a match to qualify for MITB. MITB is scheduled for Wrestlemania 24.

This news a.k.a info can be viewed at WWE.COM official page which recognized that victory.

i know the page says that Wikipedia is not a news page but this kind of info is very important going into the last wrestlemania weeks

cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leolardo (talk • contribs) 09:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Alvin Burke, Jr.
Who supports a move to Montel Vontavious Porter? King  iMat  thew   20  08  21:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support-- ~ S  R  X  ~  21:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support He doesn't seem to have used any other well-known ring names, and I'm fairly certain that he's the only person to use the name Montel Vontavious Porter. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per GCF. – L A  X  22:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

✅ King   iMat  thew   20  08  23:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

His kick
Does any one know what his kick finisher that he does in the corner is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.229.168 (talk) 15:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the "Running big boot to a cornered opponent's face" in the "In wrestling" section of the articlemight be it. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 15:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Its called the Players Boot - Kentonbomb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentonbomb (talk • contribs) 06:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no source for the name "Player's Boot." And I think he was asking for name custom name, Nici, not a general term. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 07:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What I really want is for it to be posted on the article, but a name would work as well. 71.204.165.158 (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, according to SmackDown vs. Raw 2008, it's called the "Players Boot". -- L A  X  16:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Games are not now nor are they ever reliable sources for names. That's how we get things like "Woman's Special Slap" om move lists. If a commentator calls it that, we'll add it.«»bd(talk stalk) 17:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I could have sworn the commentators of smackdown once called the finisher for MVP, "Famous to Boot"...did anybody hear this other than me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanchjc (talk • contribs) 04:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Twice it was called by that particular name by John "Bradshaw" Layfield when he was on commentary but it has not been called anything other than a running boot/Yakuza Kick since then. WadeKeller2012 (talk) 23:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

RING NAME
Why do you not have "Assad" down as one of his Ring names? Hes used that in Puerto Rico, he has also made an appearance on the January 13th 2005 Edition of Smackdown as a security guard during Kurt Angles "Angle Invitational", Come on people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentonbomb (talk • contribs) 16:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Cite it. Every other name in the box is cited.«»bd(talk stalk) 22:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

How do you want us to cite it? with an image? cause heres one: http://www.montel-porter.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=576&pos=0 and theres a few more in that gallery. i have no idea why you especially think you know everything about wrestling and mvp just because you post a bunch of information, which by the way, most of it on this wiki page is fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoxsamantha (talk • contribs) 05:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Ending this debate
Gerweck.net states that Antonio Banks was born in 1985 -- making him 21 -- while OWW says 1970 -- making him 36. However, the 1970 date is the only one of the two that makes sense, considering he was in prison from the ages of 16 to 25 according to an interview here. Please stop changing the date. --- bd  Sup? - Where we goin'? 17:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

If he was a prisoner why don't you put it on his page, proving people that he was born in 1970? You're just like any other guys, all talk, no actions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mistahkennedy (talk • contribs).


 * I have no idea what that means.«» bd I'm cool! I'm cocky ! I'm bad! 19:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

OWW's profile of Antonio Banks states that they contacted the Florida Department of Transportation and confirmed his birthdate to be 10/23/73. I have corrected it as such. Tino 03:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

1973 is his birth year. However, his birthday is on the 28th.--Smoxsamantha (talk) 21:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Acoording to his Myspace, he said that he was born on 8/28/73. 76.110.82.251 (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

US Title Defences
Aside from Armageddon, the last time I remember MVP defending the US title is way back when his fued with Matt Hardy began. Aren't champions meant to defend their title every 30 days or have I just forgotten some title defences? Tony2Times (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, kinda, you did. He defended it at Cyber Sunday against Kane, and retained it the same way he did against Rey Mysterio at Armageddon. But aside from that, the only notable title defenses I can remember are against Flair at Vengeance, Matt Hardy at The Great American Bash, Kane at Cyber Sunday, and Rey Mysterio at Armageddon. Since I don't get to watch SmackDown! much, I might have missed some....--65.117.144.106 (talk) 14:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Also remember, they would include house show title defenses so there could have been anywhere between 1 to 100 title defenses that were never seen on tv.220.235.113.114 (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Running Kick
I believe his running kick to an opponent is called the drive by or drive by kick. If you watch Smackdown over the past couple of weeks, Taz called it the drive by kick each time he used it. Announcers seem to be a good citation usually but not sure if its drive by kick or drive by or if it should be changed. KonigBerserk (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't hear Tazz call it that, but even if he did, it needs a citation. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's some links that have him calling it the drive by kick. Listen to Taz at the end of both of the matches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY7ReCLK5V0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cStwVnnuI&feature=related just to show that he did call it that. KonigBerserk (talk) 09:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Youtube is not a reliable source. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 20:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Those were old posts, Nici. There's an RS listed by the kick by now. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 No Mercy
Turned face During his segment with randy orton after he was leaving cm punk and kofi came out and asked him to team with them against cody, ted, and manu. He said yes they ran to the ring and mvp got ambushed but the 2 came to help him  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon027 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

What is this ?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QUOTES SECTION? WHATS THE POINT OF ELIMINATING IT? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

He is scheduled to make his WWE match debut at No Mercy in a match against Shelton's mom and Little Bastard it is also rumored He Could Be Taking On Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch

Are You Kidding?

His real name is Montel Vontavious Porter. The November 2006 issue of Pro Wrestling Illustrated (the annual "PWI 500" edition) has Antonio Banks listed as number 368. The first line of his summary states, "Miami native currently competes under his given name of Montel Vontavious Porter (or MVP for short) in WWE's Deep South Wrestling developmental camp." I would edit the main page myself, but i am not sure how to properly state my source. --pud--10/30/06--10:46 AM
 * His real name is Antonio Banks, as stated by himself here. Not the first time PWI has been wrong. -- bd (talk to me) (watch me) 18:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not that PWI is wrong. You're forgetting that much of PWI is written in kayfabe.  When a guy debuts in WWE, they use the WWE backstory for him.  His real name is Antonio Banks, though, 100% *botches a shooting star press* -- DomColosi 20:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

His real name is actually Hasaan Asaad as revealed in the Wrestling Observer. He's just been telling people that Antonio Banks is his real name(that was one of earlier ring names).

This is the source. http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/4381 This information is from the May 21, 2007 issue of the Wrestling Observer newsletter. Unlike PWI, they are not kayfabe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Hal-El (talk • contribs).
 * The Wrestling Observer story is not a reliable story since it offers no sources, nor are any websites that parrot the information they find in that issue of Wrestling Observer. As soon as a reliable source is made available it can go in.«»bd(talk stalk) 02:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

MVP's real name is Alvin Burke, Jr. The  Jay  Experience 09:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Criminal
I fin it funny how his criminal history is public, but no one wants to recognie his charges...kidnapping and robbery #Inmate Release Information [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlogan2 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If Burke is a criminal howcome he is alowed to cross the border? I thought that if you had a record you could not cross into other countries. I am wondering how he can be a sports star if is is excluded from crossing the U.S. border. Altenhofen (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you asked that as a new MVP interview has been released here. Basically he's allowed to cross some countries with special permits and background checks for recent behaviour. And in other countries like Japan, he's banned from visiting. --  Oakster  Talk 23:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If he is a criminal and his history is public, how come your link doesn't even work? -62.219.97.87 (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

PWI 500
MVP's PWI 500 ranking is twenty-three. Shouldn't that be added to his accomplishments? 75.70.219.136 (talk) 02:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Playmaker
It's been a long time since he has used the Playmaker now he uses the "Drive-By Kick" Brothers of destruction (talk) 12:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC) hope somebody can help me with this matter

I believe MVP still uses the Playmaker as his finisher along with the Drive-By Kick. I think i saw MVP attempt the Playmaker at Unforgiven 2008 so i'm pretty sure he still uses the move. The Jay  Experience 09:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Nose injury
He has been wearing a nose brace in his matches for ages now. Is it because of a real injury? -62.219.97.87 (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure MVP doesn't have an injury, the nose brace is probably just something he likes to wear while wrestling. The Jay  Experience 09:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

those r nasal strips99.226.241.84 (talk) 13:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Baby Face Turn??
Is MVP turning face as I read on wrestleview it can end with a babyface turn. Heres the link. http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1230765643.shtml --Pookeo9 (talk) 23:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I think so, but wait for it to be official. Kala jan  €  ₣  21:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)