Talk:Monterey International Pop Festival/Archives/2019

Fantasy Fair
Wouldn't Fantasy Fair be the first "widely promoted and heavily attended rock festival"? It drew over 30K, must have been widely promoted and was a week ealier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.173.212.21 (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. CHICHI7YT (talk) 20:32, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Wow
Just posting this little note to say I absolutely love this article and will be checking out all the Monterey Pop footage I can. Really a fun read.Twisket 01:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Possible Plagiarism
Large chunks of text look like they have been pasted by User:Dunks58 from here: http://www.milesago.com/Festivals/intro.htm Is this text fair use?


 * Dunks wrote that text (see his talk page, or mine). Adam Bishop 21:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The Dylan comment
I think the comment about Bob Dylan "poleaxing" the Newport Folf Festival is: 1)Adding a negative tone to an objective article, and 2) Irrelevant to the article at hand.
 * I agree with both of your statements. Could someone fix that up? -Karen L. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.81.72 (talk) 06:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

Hendrix
I can't find a reference of how Jimi Hendrix apparently set his guitar on fire on stage. . . I really just did CTRL + F on his name, but never found anything. What's the story behind that? It says he did in the picture in his article ( the same one used in this lower down ), and the picture even illustrates him over a burning guitar. . . 12.107.246.113 01:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The cleanest reference is available out of Jimi's mouth in interviews. He lit his guitar on fire as a sacrifice to his fans to show his love and devotion to them.The Budzone guy 00:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beadbud5000 (talk • contribs)

Ticket Price
This morning, I heard Rosalie Howard on SF's local station KFOG state ticket prices were actually $3 for the afternoon shows and $6.50 for the evening shows. Not much of a reference, so I didn't want to edit. Anyone confirm/deny this?

TedSki 17:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

No artists of color?
One comment in the article seemed pretty jarring: "Also conspicuous by their absence were acts featuring artists of color." While it may have been a predominantly white bill and audience, African Americans were hardly "absent." In addition to Jimi Hendrix and Otis Redding, acts representing people of color included Booker T and the MGs, Hugh Masekela, Lou Rawls, and Ravi Shankar. The article even notes that Smokey Robinson was on the festival board. Drilljoy 07:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Competing festivals?
I read somewhere that rival promoters staged other multi-bill concerts elsewhere on the same weekend. Does anyone have any more information about those shows, if this is true? Thanks. The Sanity Inspector (talk) 02:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Deaths at Monterey
This section is confusing at best, and possibly even misleading. Jimi Hendrix, for example, didn't die until 1970. This wasn't even his last performance (musical/career "death.") This section should be heavily edited or removed. Any thoughts? Pygmypony (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree; that passage is just flat wrong. The Sanity Inspector (talk) 22:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll delete it. There's really nothing unusual/untimely about most of these: Nyro didn't die until '97, Garcia in '95, Hite in '81, Entwistle in 2002 and so on. People die, often younger than the average life expectancy; it happens. Is it sad? Yes. Is it sufficiently bizarre to be encyclopedia-worthy? I don't think so. intooblv (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Notes and references
This section is a bit messed up (too much LSD? :). Not sure where the extraneous refs should go. &#0149;Jim 62 sch&#0149; dissera! 17:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Monterey Pop Festival.
Please give credit to the Soldiers from Fort Ord CA, I was there, we provided many tents and security as well as Medics. Dr. Richard H. Short Ph.D. SGT E-5 at the time.174.147.158.81 (talk) 00:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC) aka Maniac back from VieNam.174.147.158.81 (talk) 00:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Is this the first Monterey Pop Festival?
We need some points of clarification on the history of Monterey Pop Festival(s). I read somewhere that this 1967 festival was not the first "Pop" festival held in Monterey. It was the largest and longest with completely new organizers. The earlier ones were said to have event concert at night and Sunday afternoon where people went home and did not sleep at the grounds. The 1967 is one of the very first Woodstock type of events. I read this article on Monterey likely 2 decades ago so I am unable to reference what magazine it was in. 'The article I had read only mentioned that Peter, Paul, & Mary headlined the first festival at Monterey. But looking back, the writer of the article could have confused this with The Newport festivals where Dylan played.' Those shows were on the East coast of the United States of America, not in Monterey, California.

Can anyone clear this up with a referenced source? The Budzone guy 23:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beadbud5000 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Intro
I just wanted to point out that at the end of articles introduction, it is stated that Monterey was the site for Woodstock two years later which indeed, it was not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.72.61 (talk) 05:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The sentence says Monterey became the template (not the site) for future rock festivals, such as Woodstock, which it was. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh so it does. Sorry. 98.127.72.61 (talk) 03:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

recent edits
Recent edits are controversial, being that they have to do with drugs and police; should be cited or are subject to removal. --RichardMills65 (talk) 04:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

First heavily promoted and widely attended rock festival
Why is the Monterey Pop Festival the "first heavily promoted and widely attended rock festival" (as it says in the lede), when the Fantasy Fair and Magic Mountain Music Festival was six days earlier? — howcheng  {chat} 07:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Because the Fantasy Fair was just a Bay Area thing. And it wasn't really "promoted", it was more of a big version of playing in the park. In fact, the fact that Monterey was so commercial was a big stumbling block for most of the San Francisco groups. *That* was why it became a "charity benefit" (Adler and Phillips paid themselves first tho, I am sure, this is how "charity benefits" work), not because of the altruism of the promoters.


 * You could accurately say this was the first big commercial US rock festival, I think. And because of that, you could also say that it was not only the high point of the Summer of Love but it was also its death knell. The snake had entered Eden. 210.22.142.82 (talk) 03:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

What?
"It was also reported locally that Eric Burdon had checked out the provisions and healthcare facilities." what, was he eating pizza and checking into the ER?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Moby Grape recordings
The line "Moby Grape's Monterey recordings and film footage remain unreleased, allegedly because manager Matthew Katz demanded $1 million for the rights" should be amended or replaced. Sundazed released the entire set -- five songs -- on Moby Grape Live in 2010, which I owned at one time. See Moby Grape ‎– Live (Historic Live Moby Grape Performances 1966-1969) on Discogs for release details. Fantailfan (talk) 12:22, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced Zappa claim
I've moved this unsourced claim off of the page: I cannot find a good source for either this claim being accurate or sour grapes from Zappa. If you have a good source for this, please put it back on the page. DougHill (talk) 05:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The Mothers of Invention were invited to perform, but their leader Frank Zappa declined because of his refusal to share the stage with any of the San Francisco bands.

I removed the following sentence from this article
"; Beach Boys engineer Stephen Desper however has said through the internet that the appearance was canceled due to being sponsored by Coca-Cola and Mike Love thought it was a "plot" to get the nation's youth hooked on soda" First of all, its unsourced -- "through the internet" is not a source. Desper does appear to have an internet presence, but a google search of his name + coca cola did not produce this story to me. Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any other evidence that I can find that the festival was actually sponsored by Coca Cola (which seems a weird stretch to me anyway) so even if he said that, his assertion itself needs to be clarified. Lastly, how many reasons do we actually need here about why the Beach Boys didn't appear? So other editors, please re-add if you want, but answer to my concerns please. Cheers. Dina 02:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Desper DOES take and answer questions regularly on the internet on smileysmile's board, as well as talk about his job. The specific wasn't necessarily coke, but he said there was opposition from Mike Love about the beverages being bad for youth.  This is plausible, also, since Beach Boys songs from 1966-1971 had a bunch of contained health messages...J. M. (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think Desper's online posts can be accepted as reliable. For instance, he says he mixed the festival on a sound system donated by the Beach Boys, but far more authoritative sources describe the sound system as being a combination of Altec boxes from Meagher Electronics and McCune Sound, the combination of which was designed by Abe Jacob. I have removed any mention of Desper from this article pending a better source. Binksternet (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)