Talk:Montevideo Maru

Syd Beazley uncle of Kim Beazley cite
This citation can be supplied by looking at the hansard of the Australian House of Reps on 21/6/2010 at about 3:50 PM. Mark Hurd (talk) 05:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Mark Hurd (talk) 14:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

List of the prisoners on board (link):
List of the prisoners on board (as a pdf) can be found here: http://montevideomaru.naa.gov.au/assets/data/Montevideo-Maru-English-POWs-Internees-list.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.168.254 (talk) 02:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Link also to a translation of Japanese document in Microsoft Word (not listed alphabetically, and includes not military persons also include the following fields: Age; Rank; Soldier Type; Occupation or Special Skill; Unit; Place of Birth; Comment): http://montevideomaru.naa.gov.au/assets/data/Montevideo-Maru-Japanese-list-full-translation.doc

203.94.168.254 (talk) 05:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

What?
"This is not an additional casualty; rather the historical number was simply inaccurate" What does this even mean? 130.130.37.84 (talk) 03:59, 27 August 2013‎


 * [late to the scene] The difference between listing the names (correctly) versus the tally written (incorrectly).   WurmWoode  T   19:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Maru = ?

 * Montevideo Maru
 * Santos Maru
 * La Plata Maru

"Maru" in names of 3 Japanese ships, what does it mean? (Google Translator does not help.) Helium4 (talk) 10:34, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Almost all japanese ships have a name "Something Maru". It's probably just a general moniker like MV = "motor vessel" or RMS = "Royal Mail Ship"? 84.236.83.176 (talk) 12:57, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There is even a Wikipedia article about that:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ship-naming_conventions
 * 84.236.83.176 (talk) 12:58, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


 * In any classic Hollywood film with a Japanese ship in it, it will be the Something Maru. 99.229.34.174 (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * non-military Japanese ship, you meant to say HammerFilmFan (talk) 02:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Units of measure
It seems to me that this article does not follow the Manual of style in that the primary unit is not SI, the article is primarily about Australia and Japan. I think the primary unit should be SI per MOS:UNIT Avi8tor (talk) 09:48, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and flipped them. I also removed the useless conversions to statute miles. Note that WikiProject Ships has their own style guide that suggests nautical miles be used as primary units for distances at sea. GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Draught?
The figure of 36' (11m) is unlikely. That would be characteristic of a much larger liner. Moreover it is inconsistent with the figures given on image 1 here, of 25' loaded draft, 11'3" light.

36' may well be the depth of the vessel, but not the draught. Kablammo (talk) 12:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree. 25' is more likely to be the correct draught. Tupsumato (talk) 12:49, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I have changed it to the figure for loaded draught given at the source above, which in turn comes from United States Naval Identification Card MV Montevideo Maru. Kablammo (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Revelation of Australian fatalities
It might be interesting to include information as to when and how the Australian public first learned about the incident. Was the International Committee of the Red Cross informed by the Japanese? When did the Americans realize that they had sunk a ship mainly carrying POWs and civilians? 92.79.101.164 (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Maritime disaster?
I’m a bit puzzled by this being simply described as a maritime disaster. It wasn’t a disaster, it wasn’t an attack. Shouldn’t the sinking of a ship carrying allied citizens by an allied submarine not be consired a war crime? Was there any investigation into the submarine’s commander’s actions? Tvx1 20:15, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How was the submarine's commander suppose to know who was on board? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That’s what intelligence agencies are for, aren’t they. Even back then they were able to collect loads of information. Both sides were spying on each other 24/7. And submarines had radios which they used to convey the orders. Why did he even attack? There were rules of engagement even during war. Was the ship desigbated as a targed by upper command? Had it been hostile in some way or another? Surely there must have been some official investigation on how an allied commander caused such a considerable los of allied lives??? Tvx1 11:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In short, no. Read up on what a "war crime" is ... HammerFilmFan (talk) 02:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I now bloody damn well what a war crime is. I also know that a disaster is an accident. This wasn’t one, it was an intentional, apparently unprovoked, attack.Tvx1 11:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How do you mean, unprovoked? There was a war on and it was an enemy supply ship, perfectly valid target. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Lots of similar incidents happened during WWII and they are typically called maritime disasters in their wiki articles. Examples include:
 * RMS Lancastria The inscription on the rear of the medal reads: "In recognition of the ultimate sacrifice of the 4000 victims of Britain's worst-ever maritime disaster and the endurance of survivors – We will remember them"
 * Soviet hospital ship Armenia "It has been estimated that approximately 5,000 to 7,000 people were killed during the sinking, making it one of the deadliest maritime disasters in history."
 * Jun'yō Maru "This is one of the highest death tolls of any maritime disaster in World War II, and one of the highest death tolls of any ship sunk by submarine."
 * Ilenart626 (talk) 13:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * And RMS Lusitania, in both text and sources. Kablammo (talk) 13:01, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * and CNN: "Montevideo Maru: Australia finds wreck of Japanese WW2 disaster ship". Kablammo (talk) 12:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)