Talk:Montreal Metro/Archive 1

Automated? Drivers?
I was surprised to read that the Montreal metro uses automated control, because by my recollection the front car always contained a driver. I don't doubt that it's automatic, but why is there a driver when, for instance, the Vancouver SkyTrain has none? &mdash; mendel &#9742; 02:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * These people are called operators &mdash; "opérateurs de métro". My understanding is that they oversee the operations, and are there in case of emergency. They also work the doors.There used to be two &mdash; one at each end of the train &mdash; but the second operator position was eliminated, much to the operators' chagrin. At the termini of the lines, you can watch the manoeuvres as the operators change. That being said, no doubt someone else has more information on their role. &mdash; Grstain 15:25, July 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * Trains with no drivers in other cities spend longer periods of time at each station as the train's supervisor (remotely at a control center) must take the time to carefully verify that the doors are clear. An unsupervised automatic system is even slower. Train operators on the Montreal Metro open and close the doors, start the train and supervise the operation of the train.  Operators are required in order to maintain the highest levels of train efficiency, quickly opening and closing the doors since trains typically spend no more than 8-15 seconds at each stop.    They also drive the train in manual mode if a more aggressive performance is required, such as when a train is running late and the best performance program (called the Strenuous Run Mode) of the automatic train control computer is not sufficient in keeping the train on time.  The automatic train control computer itself is fairly intelligent and quite refined in providing a comfortable ride.    If you have travelled on the transit systems of other cities, you would find that the Montreal Metro is among the fastest in terms of delivering you to your destination and among the most efficient in rapid transit capacity. &mdash; Abbott 15:25, January 13, 2006 (UTC)

Metro History Edit...
I've taken out this sentence: "On September 13, 2006, the Green Line was shut down from Lionel-Groulx to McGill stations because of a shooting at Dawson College, near Atwater station (see Dawson College shooting)."

It has nothing to do on this page, and refers only to the dawson shooting for, at best, a tactless gratuitous reminder. The Metro is regularly shut down on all or some of the lines for various reasons, including maintenance, suicides and terror alerts. Had the shootings occured in the metro, the sentence would have been relevant to its history, just as a terrorist attack would have...

Rolling stock information outdated
It says that the MR-63 is used on the Yellow and Green line, however I am pretty sure the Yellow Line uses only refurbished MR-73 cars, and original MR-73 cars since a long time now (more than a few years). The MR-63 is now only used on the Green Line.

Also, the description for MR-73 says: "The MR-73 is the second generation of high-performance metro cars, identified by rectangular cab headlights, orange interiors (which are gradually being replaced with blue and dark orange interiors, as part of the mid-life refurbishment)". Most of the MR-73 stock are already refurbished; it is now somewhat unlikely so see a car still with the orange interiors.

Dates and distances
I find the "dates and distances" table rather obtrusive -- shouldn't it be moved to its own page? (I'm a Wikipedia newbie, BTW, so feel free to flame me if I just said something stupid) Saintamh 15:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Guimard entrance in Mexico
"This is the only authentic Guimard entrance in use outside Paris.", this statement is false. Read this : Metro Bellas Artes


 * Actually, it is true. Perhaps the Metro Bellas Artes article should be clarified to avoid this problem (I have found another website with the incorrect information.  It's source?  Wikipedia).  The Guimard entrance to Square-Victoria in Montréal is an actual, authentic entrance, the only one outside Paris.  Made in about 1900, it was donated by the RATP to Montréal in 1966 to celebrate the collaboration of engineers in both countries to create the Montréal Métro.  It was installed in 1967, the 100th anniversity of Guimard's birth.  Beginning in 2001 the STM, RATP, and the QIM (Quartier International de Montréal) worked to restore the entrance to its present state.  In fact, the lamps on the original Montréal entrance were the only remaining Guimard glass lamp globes in the entire world (in paris the originals were long since replaced).  The STM gave one back to the RATP and the other to the Montréal Museum of Fine Arts.  The RATP recently gave three reproductions (using original molds) of Guimard's entrances as part of a cultural exchange program to Lisbon (Picoas station), Chicago (on one of its metra stations), and México (Bellas Artes). Markmtl 22:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Station infoboxes
I've been working on a standard infobox for Metro stations. Some stations already had infoboxes, and I have converted these to a standard template. But many stations do not have infoboxes, nor pictures to go in them.

If anyone is interested in helping complete this (small) project, please check out Template_talk:Monteal_station_box to see what stations still need help.

Jamie 12:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * OK. I've finished building all the infoboxes.  But some stations are really bare stubs, perhaps someone who uses them regularly could help fill them in.  Also these infoboxes look much better with (300px) pictures in them; I've added a few of my own, but still most station pages lack them.   Jamie 02:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

394 million people ?
I just removed a sentence that was added to the introductory paragraph and which stated that "394 million people use the metro system every year". This means over 1 million people everyday, and I find that hard to believe. MetroDeMontreal.com states there are over 700,000 per day, and that makes more sense to me.

Perhaps 70.81.177.216 could cite his/her sources ?

Salutations, Saintamh 18:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The source of 394 million is from here (http://www.stm.info/English/a-bienvenue.htm) but I think that includes busses maybe?, although seems kind of low for busses and metro, but a little high for just the metro.

1 2 4 and 5
Are the lines really numbered 1, 2, 4, and 5? (I can't find any numbers on the Metro map, but that seems counterintuitive.) Vicki Rosenzweig 20:40, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * I don't know if those numbers are official anymore. They were removed from maps in the mid-1990s, when the STM finally abandoned its plan to build a line 3 running north from Pie-IX. - Efghij 23:55, Aug 29, 2003 (UTC)

The numbers are still official, though usually coupled with the colour (the STM often talks about "ligne 1-verte," for example). However, the lack of a line 3 has nothing to do with the proposed Pie-IX metro. See http://www.metrodemontreal.com/faq/history.html#line3 for the amazing explanation. - Montr&eacute;alais 03:53, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * I think they are still official, when I ride the orange line to Berri-UQAM for example on the TV thing it says Ligne 1 - Verte Ligne, Ligne 4 Jaune then it names busses, the point is the TV still used the ligne numbers.


 * The numbers are definitely still official. Just look here : Saintamh 19:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Can someone show me an English version of the above external link?? Georgia guy 22:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There you go : Saintamh 14:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Voice
Does anyone know who voices the announcements at each stop indicating what station you're at? It's quite a pleasant voice, I'm curious as to who it is and how that particular voice was chosen.


 * Surprisingly enough, that's an FAQ Saintamh 14:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

GA Status
Hi. I was using this article as a comparison for another transit system article that was up for GA status, and I noticed that it doesn't have any inline citations. Under the current good article criteria, they're now required, and articles that lack them are being delisted.

This article is very well done, and I'd really like to see it remain a GA. If it's possible, could editors who know the subject matter add them so that this article maintains its status and doesn't come under GA review for delisting? --- The Bethling (Talk) 20:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure of its status, the article seems to have a somewhat informal tone, and the only main reference is from a single PDF which, although is indeed a very good looking source, is not in a neutral tone, and there are many parts of the article which seem affected by that. For instance, "The city badly needed a transportation system....", large numbers of "therefore's" and "nonetheless's", a section titled "fast, efficient, powerful trains" and an unsually precise level of detail in said section with low wikilink density, and looking at the one PDF, while I agree it is a very compleate looking reference, having an article this long rely on but a single PDF may be causing it to miss something important, and we'd never know that. The pictures are nice though. Homestarmy 18:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Train Dimensions
I'm looking for the dimension of the metro, if anyone has ever come across these in their research. Nothing too specific, just about how wide, tall and long each car is. If I remember correctly, there are 12 trains connected on each line except the blue, which has 8 (recently upgraded from 6). Can anyone help me out with this, then we could add it to the article.JeffyP 07:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was never able to find this information, has anyone had any luck?JeffyP 09:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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Image in Montreal Metro
Can someone fix this? Peter Horn 00:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I just fixed it by replacing it with [[Image:Montrea-Square Victoria Metro Station-Metropolitain-01.png]] . -- Kyok o  00:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peter Horn 16:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Delisted GA
I have removed GA status from this article due to the lack of inline citations. Please cite sources using either footnotes or harvard referencing. Feel free to submit this to WP:GAN again once this is done. Thanks &mdash; Selmo  (talk) 23:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Map
I've just replaced the map on this page. The one that was there was taken from the STM website. We already have one available under GFDL, and accordingly, we cannot claim fair use on the copyrighted one and therefore cannot use it. - Montréalais (talk) 16:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Environmental impact
It would be nice to have some brief discussion of the environmental cost of the metro system. My impression is that it's vastly cleaner than cars and even buses, but there must be some information about this out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.206.150.195 (talk) 23:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Henri-Bourassa, terminus.
If somebody can translate this text from French Wikipédia, we can add this text on the section about the 4 four lines of Metro were we can explain why the Orange line have 3 terminus with Côte-Vertu, Henri-Bourassa and Montmorency.

En ce qui concerne la ligne orange, certains trains au départ de Côte-Vertu ont comme terminus Henri-Bourassa et d’autres trains ont comme terminus Montmorency. Ainsi, seuls les trains ayant comme terminus Montmorency desservent les stations Cartier, De La Concorde et Montmorency, en direction Montmorency. À direction inverse, certains trains ayant Côte-Vertu comme terminus ont Montmorency comme station d'origine et d'autres ont Henri-Bourassa comme station d'origine. Ainsi, seuls les trains ayant comme station d'origine Montmorency desservent les stations Montmorency, De La Concorde et Cartier, en direction Côte-Vertu. De plus, le matin, deux trains au départ d'Henri-Bourassa ont comme terminus Montmorency. Henri-Bourassa est de ce fait, la seule station de la ligne orange où tous les trains de cette ligne transitent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.122.75.95 (talk) 15:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

As for the Orange Line, certain trains departing from Côte-Vertu will complete their trip at Henri-Bourassa station, while other trains will travel all the way to Montmorency station. Cartier and de la Concorde stations will be served only by those trains travelling all the way to Montmorency. Travelling in the opposite direction, some trains travelling to Côte-Vertu will originate from Montmorency station and other trains will originate from Henri-Bourassa. Again, de la Concorde and Cartier stations will only be served by those trains that originate from Montmorency.

Additionally, during the morning hours, two trains originate from Henri-Bourassa and travel towards Montmorency. Because of this, Henri-Bourassa is the only station on the Orange Line that is transited by each and every train. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.29.128.130 (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Rolling Stock
Is this article about the Metro, or the rolling stock. Seems to be more here on the rolling stock than the rest of the system. Separate article? Nfitz 13:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, but since the stock is so specific to the system, it doesn't seem out of place to me. I don't feel strongly either way, but I see no great need to break it out into a separate article unless and until the present article becomes too long. Just now it's an acceptable length as far as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned. – Kieran T  (' talk ') 14:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Metro or Métro?
Why is the rapid-transit system in Paris called the Métro, while the one in Montréal is called the Metro? 76.21.8.213 (talk) 07:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Both cities use the accent on the english version of their public transit websites. However, in Canadian english, I believe one can choose to use accents on foreign words or not. I assume the Paris Métro has an accent because there is no large english community in Paris, while Montreal's Metro doesn't have an accent because the word has been anglicized by the city's english speakers.--Ducio1234 (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ducio's answer is mostly correct. For example, in French, you would use Montréal, but in English it is perfectly acceptable to use Montreal. Similarly, you say <> in French but "Quebec City" in English.

If I remember my old grammar lessons correctly, it depends on what you are trying to do. If you are referring to it as a generic object within an totally English context, then drop the accents, because there is an adequate English name to give it.

If you are referring to it in its official capacity, then keep the accents. Perhaps a good example of this would be <> To refer to this institution within an English context, you can either write, "Montreal Sacred Heart Hospital," (which is...probably not the best choice) or you could write, "Hôpital du Sacre-Coeur de Montréal," but you shouldn't write "Hopital du Sacre-Coeur de Montreal." In speaking, most English Montrealers would refer to it in speaking as "Sacre-Coeur Hospital.")

Basically, you can either use the exact French phrase, keeping the accents, or you can use the English translation, but you shouldn't use the French phrase without the accents.

"Montreal Metro" is a perfectly acceptable way to refer to it, as would be "Métro de Montréal." To say "Metro de Montreal," however, is probably incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JordanNY (talk • contribs) 18:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

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Rolling stock
That section should be placed in a separate article, because it's huge. Blackjays1 (talk) 06:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ridership numbers
I'm going to have to delete the references in the article to ridership numbers as the evidence does not support them. The references used, and  do not tell us that those numbers rode on the Metro. In fact the first source there tells us that in 2008 382 million people rode the STM transit system, not the Metro. We need a better set of references, or the numbers need removing. Canterbury Tail  talk  02:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've deleted the references and added a citation tag due to the fact they don't show what we're trying to show. Canterbury Tail   talk  11:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

More about 1 2 4 and 5
The numbers in the table of this article, despite being understandable as numbers of the lines, look like numbers of the rows of the table, and so the table looks a lot like a spreadsheet with no row 3. It's time for a discussion on what to do with these line numbers. Perhaps moving them to somewhere in the middle of the table would do?? Georgia guy (talk) 18:53, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Article needs updating
There are a few important new development for the montreal Metro. The current metro cars will be replaced, the contract has been given to a consortium composed of Altsom and Bombardier. Longueuil and other Montreal municipalities have revised their plans and are now proposing an ambitious project to expand the network. The proposal would extend the blue line eastward 5 stations to Pie IX, the yellow line 5 stations eastward to Roland-Therien and would link both ends of the orange line to create a complete loop. An earlier proposal by longueuil had 6 metro stations with 3 tram lines. Projet Montreal has announced it will be pushing for Tramway lines to be built on the Montreal Island. There have been ongoing studies for such tramway lines, but no solid proposals. This hails from a political party. .

Enalung (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The article says that the new Bombardier-Alstrom MPM-10 trains are "the second type of subway train with open gangways in Canada, the first being the Toronto Rocket for the Toronto Transit Commission." However, this is not true, as the Bombardier Mk II and the Rotem trains on the Vancouver Skytrain have open gangways. Someone may claim that the Bombardier trains are 'not subway trains' as only a few of the stations are underground, but most of the stations the Rotem trains serve are 'subway stations' 204.209.209.129 (talk) 12:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The Story of the Parallel Downtown tunnels
One of the untold stories of the Metro is the decision to tunnel in parallel within a few hundred meters of each other through the "English" Eatons. Concordia, McGill, Sir George and the French Champs de Mars, Bonaventure.

A great deal was spent and concrete poured for no clear justification given the numbers who in fact changed trains at Berri station.

The walk from the McGill station to the Bonaventure station was shorter in time and distance than entering an taking a train one stop on either line and exiting.

Has anyone used to CLP to model the alternative single tunnel for the 1970's ?

G. Robert Shiplett 00:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

New Metro station
The new station Carrefour at the intersection of Daniel-Johnson and Le Carrefour is somewhat absurd. It would be some 500 m or so west of the Terminus Le Carrefour where there is a large nearly unused park and ride. Peter Horn User talk 00:40, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a bit absurd, but what's your point. It seems that it's the mayor of Laval who's putting pressure on getting a metro station there. Since there's no green light yet for the start of the construction of the orange extension, it can stay as a projected station until new information is made public saying otherwise. The AMT states on their website that they are still in the second phase of their study (so before execution): to define the project and establish all needs. We're talking about Vision 2020, so it can still take a while. Although, considering that construction takes time too, I suppose that they might finish this phase somewhere in 2013. Jurjenb (talk) 18:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Noise level
The unsubstantiated claim that the use of rubber tires makes the Montreal Metro “exceptionally quiet” is dubious. This notion may have originated in PR, back in the 1960s, when project proponents were trying to convince decision makers of the advantages of rubber tires over steel wheels. While tires do eliminate the screeching noise for which some (mostly older and poorly maintained) subway systems are famous, the fact remains that a normal conversation cannot be held in a moving Montreal Métro vehicle; One has to nearly shout. Contrast this to Washington DC’s Metro, for example, which uses steel wheels and yet is so quiet inside and out that they designed the system from the start with flashing lights at the edge of the platforms, because approaching trains might not have been heard by awaiting commuters, creating a dangerous situation.

At the very least, the paragraph in question currently contains a contradiction. How can the system be described as “exceptionally quiet” when the very next sentence states that “the advantages of rubber tires are offset by noise levels generated by traction motors, which are noisier than the typical North American subway car”?

Montreal's subway certainly is not "exceptionally quiet". In fact it's probably the noisiest I have ever been on. Paullb (talk) 07:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

New Metro map
Is it possible for someone to update the Metro map by adding the Mascouche commuter rail line which passes close to Sauvé station? It's been operational since december. Here's the STM map: http://www.stm.info/sites/all/modules/features/stm_metro/theme/images/map-interactive.gif Mtlfiredude (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Station naming convention
See Naming conventions (Canadian stations) for details. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Rolling stock pantone colour
Does anyone know the pantone colour for the Metro rolling stock? Specifically original trains, the MR-63 and MR-73.

196.54.41.55 (talk) 00:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed Pink Line
I propose updating section 5.1 "Future Projects: City of Montreal" to add the "Ligne Rose"/"Pink Line" proposal from the Projet Montreal political party? ; Any disagreement? One-Off Contributor (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed interchange stations with the REM
There are three proposed interchange stations with the future REM. Métro de Montréal is worth translating. Peter Horn User talk 20:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

It is important to mention the REM in the article because that line, even though it is operated by CDPQ Infra, it will link all four of the existing metro lines together. Does anyone agree?J4lambert (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Evolution
The diagram File:Metro Montreal Evolution.gif should, I think, be enhanced to show station name changes and the removal of the original line numbers in favor of naming by color. --174.88.168.23 (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)