Talk:Moose International

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Myself and Mr. Wehrmeister (who made a comment here and emailed a release) are the ones who revised this entry and continue to revise. We both are moose international employees, but are trying to edit this to not be advertising. We just want the right history and information out there, not to say any editing is not encouraged. please email me with any questions about this : ejones@mooseintl.org. And to the person at the bottom, H.L. Leavitt did not foudn the organization. This is exactly why we are editing this. Also, to the other comment below, moose lodges being racist is an opinion, especially considering a good percentage of our membership on the east coast is african american. Please refer to our website www.mooseintl.org to find out more information or where you can request information like that if you need. Mooseintl (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)Emily A. Jones, Communications Coordinator

How come the reversion? I put some editing time into it. I'm not a member. I tried to edit everything to reflect NPOV and make it not advertising. Sjledet 00:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyright release Obtained
I received the following email from the current Director of Communications and Public Affairs, this morning. Please do not speed delete this entry.


 * The most recent revision in the link indicated here is only inaccurate in the inclusion of a "the" in Loyal Order of Moose. (There is no "the".) With that change, this most recent revision may be published with our approval.

Kurt Wehrmeister, Director/Communications & Public Affairs, Moose International

-Sjledet 13:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

While I have no beef with the Moose Lodge, 99% of this article is a direct cut-and-paste from the Mooses' own website. Shouldn't the article be at least a bit less blatantly biased?

-Jason, --74.134.139.179 03:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur wholeheartedly; we should not, for better or worse, just cut-and-paste the subject organization's own POV material.--Orange Mike 16:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

NPOV cleanup
I have made some edits in an effort to make the language of the article more neutral while hopefully retaining the important facts. I have also removed what appeared to be duplications of some statements (the number of members is mentioned several times in the version I edited).

I hope someone will pick up where I left off. --Zippy 08:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Things like: "That changed in 1921, when Davis met and hired a remarkable woman named Katherine Smith." under Women of the Moose are seriously NPOV.  68.100.79.249 18:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC) Edris Qarghah 02:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

OK - so remove the word, "remarkable" and help the article along. I did. I'm not sure that it's completely NPOV - but it doesn't seem too far to me right now.

Racist?
Is the organization racist? See Moose Lodge No. 107 v. Irvis, 407 U.S. 163 (1972) --User:152.3.151.106

No, the Moose organization is NOT racist; certainly not as it exists in 2008. The litigation cited here from 1972 challenged the requirement, up to that point, that members be of the Caucasian race. In May 1973, the constitution of the Moose organization was changed, by near-unanimous vote of its Convention that year, to remove any reference to race in membership requirements. There are today indeed numerous Moose members of all ethnicities, including African-American. We have had African-Americans who have served as officers of our Lodges and Chapters, and who have risen to the highest degrees of our order. I tell you this simply from personal observation; I cannot cite statistics, as we capture none. We view race as irrelevant. 38.103.109.82 (talk) 19:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Kurt Wehrmeister, Director/Communications & Public Affairs, Moose International

H. L. Leavitt
What about H. L. Leavitt, whom Murray Morgan, Skid Road, Ballantine Books (1960), p. 144–146 describes as bolting from the Fraternal Order of Eagles to "found" the Moose? Apparently this (circa 1900) would be too late a date to really be the founder, but I suspect he must have at least played a major role, or Morgan (a generally good historian) probably would not have written that. - Jmabel | Talk 20:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

We find no evidence of an H.L. Leavitt. According to the 1953 history of the Moose entitled "Back of the Dream" by Warner Olivier, it is true that in 1908, more than two years into Davis' virtually nonstop six-year roadtrip to build the Moose order, Supreme Secretary Rodney Brandon received correspondence from an Edward A. Stevens (one of the "lieutenants" recruited for Lodge building work on a commission basis) that he had persuaded 2,000 disgruntled Eagles members to quit that fraternity and to join the Moose, all at once. 38.103.109.82 (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Kurt Wehrmeister, Director/Communications & Public Affairs, Moose International

Bill Stewart Link
Tried to fix the Bill Stewart link (Former WV football coach), but for some reason I'm not able to distinguish him from all the other Bill/William Stewarts out there - even if I include "American Football" in parenthesis. Will just leave it as a dead link, unless someone else can fix it. Thanks. Yobbo14 (talk) 01:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)