Talk:Morehouse College/Archive 1

Please Sign Your Comments
Why is everybody signing with their initials and class year? This is Wikipedia, not MorehouseWiki. If you truly want to be a Wikipedia contributor, register a user name and sign your comments.

Is anybody on here actually interested in setting up a Morehouse Wiki (where we could dedicate a whole article to the Mock Trial Team, lol)? -- (TCO '08) Crnk Mnky 00:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and get started; I'll help. (PDS '07) D4S 19:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Sign Sign Sign
Again, I would like to stress the importance of signing your comments. With all this discussion going on between users within the Morehouse network, it's hard to differentiate between editors if you only sign with your IP address. The guys who are vandalizing the page are showing up with that same address. Please create a user name if you want to contribute. Thanks. -- Crnk Mnky 00:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I already deleted that Lexington Steele note last week among other inaccurate information, but TallMidget simply reverted my edits. I have now reverted the article to my last edit (1 February 2007).

There seem to be a lot of vandals coming through here lately. One guy vandalized this article as well as Howard University, and he was doing so from inside Howard's network. Another guy has deleted the entire Morehouse article 4 times this year. I think he's a disgruntled student who got his classes purged from the system. -- Crnk Mnky 00:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Great Job
To everyone who's edited the article this year, great job! It looks a lot more informative and complex from last year. -PDS '07.


 * I figured we deserved higher standards. I also figured that Dr. King deserved a special stand-out on the alumni list, because sadly there are plenty of less notable people who graduated as few as 10-15 back trying to add themselves to the list. I created a new section titled "Prestige" because I figure that this school doesn't do a good of enough job showing off its reputation.


 * Somebody added an annoying trivia bit about a porn star attending the school. This is true, so I'm not going to completely remove this fact, but I toned it down a little by removing all of the emotive language makes it sound a bit scandlous. Remember folks, this is supposed to be a global fact encyclopedia. There are some facts worthy of inclusion and some facts that are better left to the campus' student papers. -- 69.87.187.82

Lexington Steele
Please do not list Lexington Steele as an Alumnus.

He is a notable undergrad (1988-1990), however he transferred to Syracuse later.

Although "Alumnus" means he attended but might have not graduated, there are no other lists on Wikipedia that list non-grads. D4S 01:15, 8 February 2assssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssseele did in fact attend Morehouse College from 1988-1990. Even though he did not graduate from Morehouse College he was indeed a "Man of Morehouse" from 1988-1990 since he was a student during that time period.


 * Still, the article is supposed to be about Morehouse and not Mr. Steel. You're lucky the Wikipedia editors even let this remain under the "Trivia" section. Wiki deletionists are really good for quickly deleting that kind of thing. Further, the labels of "successful" and "Man of Morehouse" are too emotively positive for what's supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia article. Also, the label of "Man of Morehouse" is an insider term that is mostly used by the college's alumni and current faculty and students. It is not something fully understood by the general public. 69.87.187.82

Dawg, seriously, did you have to include Lexington Steele on the same entry as Dr. King and Maynard Jackson? Like the person at the bottom said, some things deserve to be left in the Maroon Tiger. TTN '06

"They're at it again..." It seems like a lot of people like adding Lex to the Alumnus list. If he stays, DO NOT degrade a Worldwide Morehouse College article with "known for his large penis." (PDS '07) D4S 21:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think having any information about porn stars is appropriate.

Ranked No. 45 in Black Enterprise
Boasting that Morehouse College has been ranked No. 1 three times in a row by Black Enterprise is a little misleading, when Morehouse College tumbled 44 spots to No. 45 in Black Enterprise's latest college rankings that put more emphasis on graduation rates...

That's Bull
"Boasting that Morehouse College has been ranked No. 1 three times in a row by Black Enterprise is a little misleading, when Morehouse College tumbled 44 spots to No. 45 in Black Enterprise's latest college rankings that put more emphasis on graduation rates..."

The last survey also put more emphasis on enrollment numbers. Florida A&M University, ranked #1 in 2006 only got its place there because it has over 11,400 students compared to Morehouse's meager 3,000. Further, YOUR statement is misleading. Black men tend to have lower graduation rates than black women. Unlike Florida A&M, Morehouse is a single-sex school composed entirely of male students. Florida A&M is overwhelmingly female. The recent survey takes into account an anomoly in the school's graduation rates back in 2004 (from 58% to 51%), but doesn't take into the account the schools highest record set this year in May (61.5%). When you consider that the average graduation rate for African American men nationwide is a meager 20.1%, with Morehouse being triple that, you have to ask yourself if these ratings really matter.

The school hasn't changed in its quality in only a matter of a year or two. No, the methodology is the only thing that's changed. In fact, the school has dramatically improved since the survey for these rankings was conducted. And I don't see anything but positive coming from it.

However, the rankings will depend upon Black Enterprise magazine's attitudes. The current president of the college, Walter Massey already stated in the Altanta Journal-Constitution that the school, like most small liberal arts schools, has no intention of growing to a larger size. That would negatively affect the student-faculty ratio and reduce the quality of the education.

That is, unless dubious ratings matter more to you than actual educational quality. If U.S. News & World Report suddenly ranked Harvard College #45 and Cal State Chico #1, because Chico State a hundred times the student population as Harvard, would you believe it to be legit or would you just say that the magazine's editors have gone nuts.

Florida A&M's graduation rates are very close to Morehouse's. They are only slightly better because they have more female students and receive public funding. But, don't fool yourself. I don't see Goldman Sachs and McKinsey & Co. doing their recruiting at schools like Florida A&M, and it's for a reason. Morehouse and Spelman will always be the #1 & #2 HBCU's, and Black Enterprise can't do anything to change that. GCJ '07

I Agree
What I said is in no way misleading. It's a simple fact, but if you think that the rankings that Black Enterprise recently put out are misleading (as do I), then that's different. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2006/08/31/0901morehouse.html

My point is that Morehouse College isn't defined by the rankings Black Enterprise puts out, so why is it even mentioned in the Morehouse College's Wikipedia entry? I agree with everything that was stated above me, I personally think Morehouse College is one of the greatest institutions for anybody in the United States.

Copyright Violation
To whoever keeps adding the history section taken directly from the Morehouse webpage: You are welcome and encoaraged to summarize the information in your own words, using the Morehouse website as a source, but simply cutting and pasting is plagarism. See Copyrights. Sayeth 16:01, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

Mock Trial
I went and added the section about Morehouse College's Mock Trial program because I felt that it would increase the "prestige" of the school. I give props to everyone who has worked to contribute to this page. I just felt that it would enhance the entry even more if the Mock Trial section was a "stand-out" section instead of just an attachment at the end of "Clubs and Activites". I wish people from other Campus Organizations would put more information about their individual groups so when "outsiders" look at the page, they can get a better and more well-rounded view of our wonder academic home. TTN '06

Seriously, whoever continues to change and VANDALISE the Mock Trial Contribution, please stop. Because I can always add the code back. This isn't how the school should be represented with people going through and erasing content that they didn't create. If you aren't a Wikipedia Moderator, please stop. TTN '06


 * Actually, what you originally wrote here falls under "vandalism" under Wikipedia's standards. I deleted your entry because this page is about Morehouse College and not just its Mock Trial Team. It was disporportionate and unsightly. You have to be kind and considerate of the fact that this article should be balanced and not used as a page for vanity. Yes, I believe that the Mock Trial Team deserves a mention, but no I don't think they're so important as to require a whole subtitle and photo. That's just plain tacky.

I would like to give a big thank-you to whoever re-edited, re-rembeded and re-incorporated TTN's entry into the rest of the page. It looks much better now and is a good compromise to leaving it out entirely. GCJ '07

While Morehouse's mock trial program is important to some degree, the amount of information on the page pertaining to this one topic is not proportionate to the rest of the information about the school. I suggest an external link. -Sekou

Honestly the debate team photo just looks like vanity. I removed it and it should remain removed until someone can give a adequate reason for it being there. 131.251.254.47 (talk) 14:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Spelman is not the sister school of Morehouse College
It is a widely-held myth that Spelman College is the sister school of Morehouse College. The distinction actually belongs to Bennett College of North Carolina.
 * Most people just make that assumption because for one, Spelman is across the street from Morehouse, and many of their events are held together. For example, Miss Morehouse is a Spelman student and Mr. Spelman is a Morehouse student. Bennett College is the official sister college.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.107.123.1 (talk) 02:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I COMMEND WHOEVER WROTE THAT. IT IS A MYTH AND THAT A TRUE FACT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lboogie127 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Spelman is in fact the "daughter" school of Morehouse, as largely Morehouse alums helped found the school with the help of the Packards and Rockefellers.GCJ'07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.53.59 (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but once again your information is incorrect. Spelman is not a "daughter" school of Morehouse. The school was established in 1881 by two female school teachers (neither were Morehouse alums). Both schools held classes at the Friendship Baptist Church, were aided by the Rockefellers, and are currently members of the AUC, but that's as far as the connections go. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 01:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Both were Morehouse alums. Don't you know? Morehouse used to have female students. It wasn't forever an all-male school. 76.171.53.59 (talk) 18:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Samuel L Jackson photo
I changed the picture of Samuel L. Jackson from A to B as it seemed that the Pulp Fiction one may have been originally posted with humourous intentions. The new picture is at least less humourous.--Dylan Lake 03:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

morehouse colors
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE SCHOOL COLORS FOR THIS SCHOOL? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.22.195 (talk • contribs).
 * The school colors are maroon and white. --Crnk Mnky 06:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Henry L. Morehouse
The course catalog says that he was the secretary of the Southern Baptist Home Mission Society.

The College handbook says that it was the American Baptist Home Mission Society.

This article says it was the Northern Baptist Home Missions Society.

Does anyone have any hard evidence of which one it was? (PDS '07) D4S 18:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, he's definitely not a Southern Baptist (historically they were "pro-slavery"). It can be misleading since the school is located in the Deep South. The School was founded by members of the Northern Baptist Convention (NBC), which later changed its name to the American Baptist Convention (ABC) and is now currently American Baptist Churches in the USA. Your safest bet is the Northern Baptist Convention, as it had that name when he was still living. ;-)  69.87.183.178 19:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The Baptist Conventions are separate from Henry L. Morehouse's affiliation. We need solid evidence of which Mission Society he was a part of. D4S 03:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The Mission Societis are sub-set groups of the Baptist Conventions. 69.87.160.8 20:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Having a little too much fun with the bold font, D4S? -- Crnk Mnky 04:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Racism in Wiki Edits
Someone is seriously trying to frustrate the authorship of this page by making unnecessary and bogus edits. Considering that this is an historically black college and those edits are coming from parts of the Deep South, I have reason to suspect that racism might be at play. -- 69.87.183.178

"those edits are coming from parts of the Deep South" Suspecting bad motives for purely geographic reasons is just as ignorant as racism. --Kerry (talk) 21:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. Ignorance would be ignoring the regions altogether. -- Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.237.251 (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Endowment
Can someone add something on that? I see it as somewhere between 85-112 million dollars US. Can someone confirm this for the article? Llamabr 16:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Try about $118 million. It's no Harvard when it comes to cash. I don't think any school is.

Source: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/directory/brief/drglance_1582_brief.php

But it's one of the richest HBCU's and has the largest amount of cash than all other HBCU's when you consider this money on a per-student basis. Neighboring Spelman College has an endowment of about $292 million, but they've also have more than 2.5 times the amount of students that Morehouse has. They recently increased their enrollment from about 3,000 to 7,500. Morehouse also has a much better alumni network. Morehouse alums actually founded Spelman. They also built the Morehouse School of Medicine, the Interdenominational Theological Center (a.k.a. "Morehouse School of Religion"). -- GCJ '07 211.255.222.64 01:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I am a little confused
Not trying to spam here, just read the article... so is Morehouse (Black) Male only, or just Male only, but traditionally predominantly black? Does it HAVE "minority" students, like hispanics, caucasion, or asian males? Or does it not admit anyone not of African American lineage? (If it DOES have students of other bents, I think it should be made a little bit clearer). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.177.217 (talk) 08:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Morehouse is "historically black" about 98% of its students are Black, but not all of its Black students are African American, and plenty of them are racially "mixed". I graduated this year and while I was there, I knew a good number White, Asian, and Hispanic students. I also knew several students who were from places like Guam, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Sierra Leone, Egypt, Nigeria. My roommate was from Kenya and a White guy from Seattle lived down the hall from me. There are plenty of non-Black students who come to Morehouse on an semester-basis through inter-collegiate exchange and there are some who just apply and enroll as regular students. GCJ -07 76.171.53.59 (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Some might charge that in the year 2009, a "historically black" college still in operation is a racist phenomenon. Does Wikipedia feature anywhere the arguments pro and con for such a college? --Kerry (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

@Ksoileau, no. Thankfully Wikipedia does not have a feature for dumb discussions such as whether the existance of an HBCU is a racist phenomeno. ~ TTN'06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.35.208.23 (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Back to Older Version
I'm reverting back to an older version of this page. The newer version is very poorly done and seems "tough on the eyes" with respect to scroll pagination and the page's organization. It also is much harder to print. Whoever made these changes certainly didn't discuss them on this board before giving the page a total overhaul. It looked like a badly done facelift. -- GCJ'0776.171.53.59 (talk)) —Preceding comment was added at 21:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Edits were done to standardize the page with other university and college pages in both WP:UNI and WP:Georgia. If you have specific problems with the layout please identify them and they can be changed on all of the Georgia university and college pages. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 14:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Tackiness
Whoever edited this page to the new look certainly left it looking tacky. The spacing is off and that school logo is too blown-up and pixelated. Please change it back to the way it was before. It looks god awful now.Yakkowackdot (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Edits were done to standardize the page with other university and college pages in both WP:UNI and WP:Georgia. Please do not simply revert the entire page to the previous layout as you have removed new and update information and returned much of the text that was edited for NPOV. Please take the time to make your specific edits or at least identify them on this page so the changes can be made. Thank you. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 14:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Still, that seal looks terrible. Maybe someone could just snap a pic of one next time you're on campus?  Or can't we argue fair use of one? Llamabr (talk) 16:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like the seal image in the infobox was being enlarged from its actual size which lead to the poor quality. I would recommend leaving it at the actual size until someone provides a larger image of sufficient quality. Regards, --Roswell native (talk) 03:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

i think whoever "cleaned up" this page on april 14 demolished one of many important pieces. One it is a faggot overrated school...Lboogie127 (talk) 00:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You must be one of those sore losers who didn't manage to get in or one of the few who got in but couldn't truck it. Don't hate. It only reflects your immaturity and lack of character. 76.171.53.59 (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah the school seal is a bad quality. Changes need to be made.--DavidD4scnrt (talk) 07:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All the graphic images on the page should be sourced to and derived from: Morehouse's official graphic identity. Madcoverboy (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Henry L. Morehouse: Clarified
With regards to Dr. Morehouse's affiliation, that being the Northern or American Baptist Home Mission, in completing my latest doctoral seminar, I located an academic catalog from Shaw University dated to 1901 that records Dr. Morehouse as being affiliated with the American Baptist Home Mission based in New York.

http://www.shawuniversity.edu/Archives/Di%20Copy%20of%20LSTA%20Grant%20Project/1901%20Catalog.pdf

[bottom paragraph, pp. 9-10ff.]

In accordance with this data, I made the appropriate change in the article in that I have provided a scanned, primary archival source opposed to a URL link containing secondary and/or unsubstantiated information.

Hope this helps.

Shalom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerrygrimes (talk • contribs) 08:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

National Theological Institute founded Augusta Institute at the historical Springfield Church in 1866. Charles Henry Corey was briefly the principal. Somehow the early history is disowned by the college, and its official (but not actual) history begins with the participation of the ABHMS and James Simmons who was the recording secretary years before Henry Morehouse. I'm hesitating to incorporate any of this in the article at the moment, but plan to. Shop20q (talk) 03:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes
I've demoted the article to C class given the omission of important content and lack of adherence to WP:UNIGUIDE with regard to structure and tone. I've indicated under the section headings what content needs to be added. I also took the liberty of removing all the hidden infoboxes from the article and merging their very worthwhile content into other sections of the article rather than being hidden. Madcoverboy (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Redirecting from Atlanta Baptist College
While I understand that Morehouse once used the name, there's a current (albeit small) institution using it now: http://www.libertybaptist-ga.org/abc.html. Given that, perhaps an automatic redirect isn't in order... or perhaps one of those nifty "For the current Atlanta Baptist College, please click here" notices. Discussion? Smontg2 (talk) 21:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Other
In the info section, Officer in charge is said to be "UR STUPID".. Somebody correct this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.97.234.226 (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Motto
Someone keeps changing the translation of the motto "Et facta est lux" to "Knowledge is light." I have added a footnote to explain why the translation is "And there was light." More to the point, "knowledge" does not have a Latin root and does not relate in any way to "facta." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.112.1.251 (talk) 16:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Campus Atmosphere
The school's campus atmosphere and its "academics" are two separate subjects. Consider a separate section for campus atmosphere.

However, such would only be appropriate if such section included a comprehensive and indepth discussion of the Morehouse Mystique (to adequately address the Morehouse campus atmosphere).MuJami (talk) 02:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Section Not on Other Wiki Pages
In reviewing other college and university articles (on wikipedia), this editor has not found a single instance wherein a section referred to as the "Campus Atmosphere" exists. That is is to say that no other college or university page profile on wikipedia has a section using that phrase. (See Harvard, Fisk, Bates, Michigan University or any page profile of any American college or university on wikipedia).

I submit that a section called "Campus Atmosphere" should not exists on this page {unless similar sections are discussed on similar pages (e.g., Wabash, Spelman, etc.)} as such could become subjective. There are other non-encyclopedic venues for such discussions.

TO: editor IP 76, MuJami (talk) 02:56, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * As Dr. Hornsby would say, "Simply because something is factual, does not make it historical."

Possible Vandalism
Entries made by IP 76 were tagged as possible BLP or vandalism.........>>

MuJami (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

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