Talk:Morena Baccarin/Archive 1

Early comments
62.143.50.170 (talk) 10:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

"Wow, someone really needs to get a better picture for her bio."

yes, thought that too. Would at least suggest taking the one from the german wikipedia.

Wow, someone really needs to get a better picture for her bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.55.227 (talk) 06:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC) "Italo-Brazilian"?? She's lived in the US since the age of ten, her entire career has been in the US, there's no indication she speaks either Italian or Portuguese, what gives?

Uh... so she lived in Brazil until she was 10, and doesn't speak Portuguese?

Are you an idiot? :)

I don't know about Italian, you'd have to ask her. Anyway, what language she speaks has nothing to do with her ethnicity.

PB: In real life, do you speak Portuguese, as well? MB: Yes, I do. Source: http://www.morena-baccarin.com/news/121902.html

The link to "Perfume" leads to the 2006 movie rather than the 2001 comedy mentioned in the text.

zomg can we get a better pic? this one makes me cringe 199.111.244.53 (talk) 01:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What was so bad about the original picture? She looked a lot better in that one.

Hi, the text mentions that she will star in the upcoming V series produced by ABC- just not sure what 'ABC' is? The Australian Broadcasting Corporation? The American Broadcasting Corporation? The Astrological Bureau of Corporal bodies?

Someone closer to the article may be able to clarify.

Thanks, 202.168.22.59 (talk) 11:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Baccarin is listed as appearing in Numb3rs episode 503 and Medium episode 509. Numb3rs only has 100 episodes and Medium only has 88 episodes. Also shouldn't the link to Medium should be to the TV series not the disambiguation page? Radicaledward101 (talk) 14:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Let's change, please
When we put her descent following her nationality, it seems like she or one of her parents was born in Italia. This is not true, the first Baccarin to walk on Brazil did after the World War I, so did many European families in the Americas. Like most American personalities' article, this information is not essencial at beggining, because they are adapted to the culture of the country. Adapted enough to be considered Americans, for example. Moving the

I know the history of Baccarin family, because I'm a Baccarin too :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.58.122.121 (talk) 19:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Portuguese descent
In her uncle's article in the Portuguese wikipedia, it's said he's of Portuguese descent too. That means Vera Setta, mother of Morena, and Morena are both of Portuguese descent too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.58.127.86 (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian actress?
She's lived in the US since she was ten, I didn't see any Brazilian credits in her bio, it's simply absurd to call her a "Brazilian actress." I'm removing the "Brazilian" tag just because it's silly. (unless people can back it up.) "Brazilian-born US actress" would be accurate and complete. "Brazilian" alone is misleading.


 * Of course she is American. Every native of the continent of America (Argentina up through Greenland) is an American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.170.45 (talk) 20:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * That's only true in the Spanish and perhaps Portuguese languages, where the term is "Americano/a". The entire English-speaking world, not just the US, generally uses "American" to mean a citizen of the USA, and that's not going to change anytime soon. - BilCat (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The United States of America is the only nation on either the North or South American continents to have America in its name. The words "United States of" refer to the structure of the nation much like "the Former Yugoslav Republic" of Macedonia or Dominican "Republic." Macedonians. Dominicans. Americans. Shiny?--76.106.56.106 (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Photo
Could we get some consensus on which photo is the best one for this page? Unfortunately, none is particularly recent (2005-06 time frame): -- Dachannien TalkContrib 01:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Number 2. – ukexpat (talk) 14:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Number 1 Tacv (talk) 02:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooh, she's a hottie. Number 1 might be best for the article, but Number 2 is going on my wallpaper. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Brazilian American indeed
In this interview to a Brazilian newspaper, Morena says she considers herself "half Brazilian, half American": - http://oglobo.globo.com/cultura/revistadatv/mat/2010/04/27/morena-baccarin-anna-de-sonha-em-trabalhar-na-tv-no-cinema-brasileiros-916441026.asp Andregoes (talk) 05:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That source doesn't state she has brazilian citizenship, it only states she "considers" herself half brazilian. Just because someone "consider" themself to be brazilian doesn't make them one. Wikipedia rules on biographies especially about a living person are very strict and very clear, so it's very wise to not take this issue lightly. In one side i think that if someone that had born in Brazil and lived there till they're 7 years old to both Brazilian parents and not having a brazilian citizenship would be considered weird and strange, we have to understand that wikipedia rules and foundations are based on sources and not personal research like this. Meaning that facts, allegations and ideas are not allowed in wikipedia, only information well sourced can be used (please read No original research). This means that unless a source cleary states that she has dual citizenship (making her a brazilian-american) she should be refered as an American or Brazilian-born American (being this last expression the most correct in my personal view). Regarding the very clear wikipedia policies in this issues i will have to change the expression "Brazilian American" to "Brazilian-born American". A request for a consensus could be a nice idea in this case as well. Big hug Tacv (talk) 02:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The article Brazilian American states in the Lead sentence: "Brazilian Americans are Americans of Brazilian origin." That is common usage for such terms, and it generally not a statement on citizenship. Therefore, I've reverted your changes. Btw, her statement that she considers herself "half Brazilian, half American" is more probably a statement on her personal culture, not her citezenship. - BilCat (talk) 02:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As i said unless a clear source states she is brazilian-american this expression is not valid. Tacv (talk) 02:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Just like to add that biography policies state that only citizenship can be refered on intro of articles. Please read the very important section on Biographies of living persons hereTacv (talk) 02:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That guideline is generally ignored when the is an artixle on the linked term such as Brazilian American. We don't have an article on Brazilian-born American. Per Bold-revert-discuss, please stop reverting back to your changes until a consesnus is reached here. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 02:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Im reverting since the wiki rules cleary states, as i already showed here, that info poorly souced have to be imediatly corrected and not have to wait for consensus see here. Having linked term to Brazilian American and not Brazilian-born American isn't any reason to keep that expression. If you keep reverting the correction, cleary ignoring wikipedia rules i will have to report you. Tacv (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, but I've done nothing wrong here, and your "report" will be dismissed. - BilCat (talk) 03:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Your "good-faith" comment is NOT appreciated. I reverted your changes per WP:BRD, and whther you think it applys here or not, the is in good faith. ANyway, I've given you a 3RR warning for going against BRD. Please stop insisting your view is right, and disccus the changes per BRD. - BilCat (talk) 03:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

What i meant with good faith was that the edits i was making were in good faith and yours weren't since you keep reverting not based on sources. Regarding the message you left on my personal page talking about the 3 revert rule its not valid. If you read the policy of wikipedia on biographies of living persons you would notice that "three-revert rule does not apply to such removals". Discussing this issue on Discussion Board is to me a sign of good faith and i am just doing what wikipedia says us to do. Also if my comment about assuming good faith offended you i apologize since it wasn't my intention to do so. Tacv (talk) 03:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Tacv conducted a similar, and lengthy, battle over the Carmen Miranda article some months ago. In any case, you all should confine it to the talk page until (or if) you all can work something out. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To the above user. You keep bringing the Carmen Miranda issue in every discussion i enter. I already warn you about stalking me. I don't see the relevance of bringing Carmen Miranda issue to this discussion. Please stop that. Tacv (talk) 03:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't interacted with you for months, so enough of this "stalking" stuff. And you're arguing from the same stance, namely that citizenship trumps common usage. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I though I was discussing it! If I were adding that she's a Colombian Americam, then he'd be right to revert me, since that is false info. But that isn't the case here, so BRD applies. - BilCat (talk) 03:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

To BugsBunny user - If you want to bring Carmen Miranda issue i can tell you that what im defending here is exactly what was decided on Request for Moderation. In that case was decided that Portuguese-born Brazilian was the correct expression and not Portuguese-Brazilian. Here its the same, keeping Brazilian-born American and not Brazilian-American, and don't forget that this artist is a living person which makes the issue even more important. To BilCat user - As i told you my comment about "good faith" was not made to offend you. I apologize for that. Im editing assuming good faith and following wikipedia policies about living persons. Im sure that you understand and agree that the policies about biographies of living persons have to be respected and so realize that my editing was correct and in good faith. Tacv (talk) 03:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You need to be sure the sourcing is accurate. The link for it is in Portugese. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If the sourcing indicates that she is primarily "American" but is still a Brazilian citizen, then you are correct that "Brazilian-born American" would be consistent with Carmen Miranda. Now, what do the sources say about all this? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The source only says that she "considers" herself half Brazilian. No reference to brazilian citizenship. She lived since her 7 years old in the States where she works. The article is talking about her wish to work sometime in a portuguese language production. Tacv (talk) 04:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Bugs is stalking me - I have a bad temper, and sometimes I eat smart-alec users when I'm angry, so he follows me to make sure I behave. :) - BilCat (talk) 03:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Or to make sure you clean up your plate. >:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It gave me indigestion, so I'm moving on. He's not intersted in having a discussion here at all. He formed his consensus before he edited the page, and nothing is going to change that. - BilCat (talk) 03:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Well you're being impolite now. Expressions like "Indegestion" and acussing me of not be "interested in a discussion here" is a clear sign of lack of civility. Im here to discuss the issue. The only thing i said was sources are needed to make an edit in wikipedia. There isn't a source as for now that state she is Brazilian-American. Having change the expression by adding the "born" suffix to it was a compliance to the biography of living persons (no need for consensus). Not going to repeat myself and i will also move on. Im the one that lost the interest now, chance the article as you wish. Big hug Tacv (talk) 03:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

People, i don't undertsand the problem. She has both nationalities, brazilian by birth and american by naturalization. She was born in Rio de Janeiro and that makes her a brazilian citizen (fact), I thinks she is also an american citizen because she naturalized (i'm not sure she actually did it though). She isnt a Brazilian American because she wasnt born in the United States.

Here is some info about US citizenship: United States nationality law 201.254.106.210 (talk) 17:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding citizenship
There is some kind of mistake regarding the interpretation of Ms. Baccarin's citizenship. If we should go to reliable sources I propose for us to look directly into Brazilian laws. Follows an ipsis literis quote of the Brazilian Constitution


 * Article 12. The following are Brazilians:
 * I - by birth:
 * a) those born in the Federative Republic of Brazil, even if of foreign parents, provided that they are not at the service of their country;
 * b) those born abroad, of a Brazilian father or a Brazilian mother, provided that either of them is at the service of the Federative Republic of Brazil:
 * c)those born abroad, of a Brazilian father or a Brazilian mother, provided that they come to reside in the Federative Republic of Brazil and opt for the Brazilian nationality at any time;
 * http://www.v-brazil.com/government/laws/titleII.html (text in English)
 * http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constitui%C3%A7ao.htm (original Portuguese version)

Well, it is an undisputable fact that Ms. Baccarin was born in Brazil. Hence, one cannot deny that she has Brazilian citizenship. In fact, in order to state that she does not have Brazilian citizenship any longer one should provide a reliable source. Furthermore, is there any reliable source that says that she became an American citizenship after all? Therefore, it is incorrect to state that she is a Brazilian-born American actress (implying that she doesn't hold Brazilian citizenship anymore). I'll be reverting to "Brazilian actress" until more reliable sources are added.

Regards,

--CHARLIE GÓES (Leave a message after the beep) 02:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. Even though you may be right, all you said regarding Brazilian Constitution are in fact an Original Research on your part, your using a document to proof she is Brazilian, and wikipedia doesn't work with proofs but with sources. What i mean is that the Brazilian Constitution doesn't say "Morena Baccarin is Brazilian" and so it shouldn't be used as a source to claim her Brazilian citizenship. In fact from MOSBIO we can see that ethnicity or country of birth should not be refereed in the opening paragrapher unless they are relevant for the person notability (which is not the case of this artist). That's why the born suffix was add, to respect the wikipedia policy in bio of living persons, giving relevancy to the country here she was natural when she became notable and not the country where she was born (same happens in Carmen Miranda article, Carmen Miranda is Portuguese by birth and by citizenship and its not Brazilian not even by citizenship and still she is refereed to as Portuguese-born Brazilian). Baccarin lives in the States since she was 7 years old, attended school there and became notable there as well, hence, in my opinion the "american" prefix should not be remove. After all there are reliable sources that refer to her as Brazilian-American (see here ). So:
 * i do not agree with the fact that Brazilian Constitution is currently being used as a source for her citizenship
 * i do not agree with the removal of the american reference since there are sources that refer to her as such and is the country where she lived most of her life, where she was raised and its the country where she became notable.
 * Discussion about the removal of the born suffix (in brazilian-born american) is highly suggested, but the removal of the american reference can not be accepted as per now (lack of sources to show otherwise). Your are welcome to show sources that claims she is not american and should be refereed only as Brazilian, till then the last consensus prevails. Tacv (talk) 19:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

She's clearly Brazilian, unless it's shown that she gave up her citizenship, because she was born in Brazil (the country adopts jus solis). There's no proof she possesses American citizenship, as required by WP:MOSBIO (no, a tabloid calling her "Brazilian-American" doesn't count). Unless we discover a source for her American citizenship, it's prudent to avoid calling her American; this is in accordance with WP:MOSBIO and WP:BLP. Missionary (talk) 22:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Child's name
I have removed it per WP:BLPPRIVACY.--ukexpat (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Firefly navbox
The editor Robsinden (talk) has removed the Firefly (franchise) navbox falsely claiming that  WP:BIDIRECTIONAL states "no actors in navbox when in fact is says nothing of the sort, so I am here to get a consensus. discuss Sarty72 (talk) 20:32, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see discussion at Template talk:Firefly. However, as currently the actors are not included, per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL we do not transclude navboxes onto article pages that are not linked in the template.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:42, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Name
Morena has her mother's name Vera Setta and father Fernando Baccarin.o his full name is Vera Lucia Satte mother and father is Fernando Baccarin Vaz (Vaz is a common name in brasil, like silva) .Silva is a per Brazilian-name.Sources:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1072555/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.124.80.170 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox image
The IP-hopping anon IP 192.193.116.143 / 192.193.116.137 has been edit-warring today to try to insert an infobox image that at least two registered editors believe is inferior to the existing image. If this edit-warring continues, admin intervention will be requested. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Out of wedlock
sounds pejorative. How 'bout "before they were married? It looks like it is also sourced to USA Today, if you can get past the ad scripts.--  Deep fried  okra    07:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I don't see any encyclopedic value in characterizing it in any way, just give the facts: The couple have a daughter, born in March 2016. Baccarin and McKenzie announced their engagement in November 2016. They were married in Brooklyn, New York, on June 2, 2017. Schazjmd   (talk)  16:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I am open to alternative wording, but we don't put out puff pieces. If subjects of BLP screw up, we note that, too. Its part of being neutral. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)