Talk:Morgause

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Apologies if I'm doing something wrong *blush* - I'm new. Anyway, I was wondering... There's so many different legends that I can't say that anything on this page is actually untrue ;) It might be true according to some of the legends I don't know. So I was just wondering what the source of this info is.

Some questions I have:
 * AFAIK Gaheris is older than Agravain, I'm pretty sure this is how Malory has it. However, it's quite possible that one/some of the legends has/have it differently, but if so - where is it from?
 * This is actually the first time ever that I've heard of Gormant. I did a search on him on google and it seems like the only place he's been mentioned is "Culhwch and Olwen" which is a very early Welsh legend (which I haven't read) where AFAIK a lot of characters are different to the "standard". Btw, funnily enough a lot of the articles I found seemed to be based on the wikipedia hehe.
 * According to which legend is there an Elaine-sister to Morgause? I can't think of a good way to do a google search on this since there's so many Arthurian Elaines.
 * And a question sort of coming out of what I've already written - how does one take all these different possibilities into consideration in a wiki entry? I mean there's no way one can say for example that "Morgause has four siblings and five sons" cause it varies from legend to legend. In many legends she only has two siblings and in some, she has four sons (with different names).

For these reasons I'm not going to touch what is already written in this entry hehe, cause I'd like to clear up some things in discussion first ;) But I guess I might try and add some info about "what she's done" since this has been asked for, though the only thing I can really think of right now which makes sense to add is her affair with Lamorak.

Monika 13:32, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anna-Morgause?
Does any story or source actually call her Anna-Morgause? Early sources (e.g. Geoffrey of Monmouth) call her Anna, and later sources (e.g Thomas Malory) call her Morgause (or Margawse), but I don't think anyone combines the two - though I'm happy to be corrected. (IIRC, the Vulgate cycle calls her Belisent, just to throw another name into the mix....) Franey 10:10, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gareth and Gaheris
Article says "Thinking it is Lamorak that killed their mother, Gawain, Agravain, Gaheris and Mordred (Gareth takes no part) ambush Lamorak and kill him. The brothers do eventually find out that Gaheris was the real killer, and he is banished from the court (though he appears later in the narrative)."

Was that supposed to say that Gareth helped kill him and Gaheris took no part? Leon Evelake 03:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No, Gaheris does help kill him, Gareth takes no part.--Cúchullain t / c 21:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Morgause half-sister Igraine and Viviane
According to the book The mists of Avalon, Morgause is the jonger sister of Igraine and Viviane. Her mother died while giving birth to her and Viviane cared for her when she grew up. When she was fourteen she was sent(by Viviane, because she was no use in Avalon) to live at Gorlois' court with Igraine. And also according to that book, Mordred is the son of Morgaine when she slept with Arthur in his king-making on Dragon Island(she was forced to by Viviane). When Morgaine discovered she was pregnant, she went to live with Morgause for a while because she didn't know where else to go and she was mad with Viviane. In Lothian, Gwydion(Mordred) was born and Morgause, seeing an opportunity to blakcmail Arthur later, she gave Gwydion immediately to be suckled by his nurse so that Morgaine wouldn't really love him and leave him in Lohian. So later she looked upon him as her son, but he wasn't really her son. (still according to the book) Elaine wasn't really her sister, but the cousin of Gwennhwyfar and by marriage to Lancelet, who was Viviane's son, her nephew.

But well, the book is only a story and not really something actually proven.

Mary Stewart books
Mary Stewart's Merlin trilogy + the Mordred book treat Morgause as a real woman trying to secure a future for herself and her sons. She's tricky in her youth, but after Arthur proves himself, and Lot dies, she surrenders and agrees to serve Arthur faithfully once he accepts her sons as his knights —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.49.126 (talk) 15:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Is there any evidence that the pronunciation stated here (which is quite counter-intuitive, especially given the different known spellings of the name) is the correct one? On what is this suggested pronunciation based? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.20.113.33 (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Of course, at a glance, any Celtic seems counter-intuitive! Mousenight (talk) 03:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried finding something reliable online to support it, but found nothing. This pronunciation has been up since March 23, 2014‎ when this gentleman overhauled the page. I've asked him for his source on it, but it would be nice if anyone could find something to back it up proper in the meantime. It's long overdue, I'd say. Mousenight (talk) 03:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)