Talk:Morrisville State College/Archive 1

Neutrality
I think the article is headed in the right direction. Read the articles of some other schools in the SUNY system - they read like a college catalog, as if directly from the school's Public Relations office. As far as I can tell, this is the most neutral of the lot. 24.59.255.244 23:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved the NPOV marker to the Technology section only. The rest of it seems to be okay now. Theboohi 16:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the article is getting rather skewed toward campus PR .. they keep reverting edits that allude to the fact that the pool no longer exists and the section on atheletics is a gross misrepresentation of the schools actual atheletic performance..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haxsaw (talk • contribs) 13:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi - for what it's worth, to my knowledge (I have been the web administrator for the college since 2006) the Public Relations office and other official units of the college don't actually do very much to this page at all. Indeed, this is my first time editing it as well, and I'm doing it in an unofficial capacity. I'm actually rather impressed with the quality of information here, which seems pretty accurate, up to date, and fairly neutral compared to previous iterations of the page that I've seen. I made some small changes (nothing major - some small adjustments to reflect that "up and coming" things are now "current" things and some corrected names for locations on campus) and my only real concern is the technology section. The line about the college being considered technologically advanced in 2001 feels a little snarky to me, as the college has done quite a lot of technologically impressive things since that year, noteably the first 802.11n wireless deployment in the world, which was a major technology initiative covered extensively in a variety of technology journals. Maybe someone would like to tackle a short rewrite of that section? I would, but I hate to make substantive changes (beyond simple edits for accuracy) since as an official of the college, my edits will, naturally, be seen as biased. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.99.50 (talk) 02:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of 'nonsense'
There was recently a major edit by User:PaulHanson where he removed "various spam/nonsense" from the article. This article has recieved many edits recently by current Morrisville students. On the article's history page you can see that a lot of the edits came from IPs within the school. Don't student opinions qualify as important information? I think this wiki should be free of Morrisville PR people selecting which opinions to share. I suggest we revert to the last edit before User:PaulHanson removed the so-called "spam/nonsense." Sixhoursago 20:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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I was the one who wrote some of the article on the parking situation as I'm a former student who deal with the parking on a daily basis. It's ridiculus to remove information about the parking as it's relevant to any future or current student. The information deleted was not nonsense nor was it spam, the removal was uncalled for. I doubt that you were a student at Morrisville State and I doubt you've ever dealt with the lousy parking conditions they have on campus. I was a student for 2 years and I frequent the town often and deal/dealt with the parking. RasstheLenek 23:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If it is a really relevant issue, it can be added in a "Criticism" section, as long as it's cited somewhere (eg. the newspaper or a press release) and not just the result of your personal frustration.-newkai | talk | contribs 17:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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It appears that the article has been reverted. Thank you, 66.218.12.10, whoever you are. While there is no denying that the article could use some major cleanup, there is absolutely no reason to remove those large chunks of information. I will message the user and invite them to visit this talk page to elaborate on their reasons for the edit. Sixhoursago 03:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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Is PaulHanson a current Morrisville student? If not then he has no way of knowing exactly what is nonsense and what is not, does he? the collaborative effort of this article has been expanding over the last few months. we won't let one person come in and remove all of our contributions. I'm in Morrisville, I can look across the street and see this school. I'm a student there and know what goes on there from day to day. I'm not just some random person on Long Island. I don't appreciate one person removing information that is widely regarded as truth among the local student body. 24.59.199.207 04:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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I go to Morrisville college too. i think the article was fine before it the edits in question. 24.58.130.26 07:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC) -- I am a librarian at Morrisville State College. I added much of the original article. Much of the information recently added that is considered disputed is purely a matter of opinion. There is not any college campus without parking problems. Also, I removed the information about the wireless network as it was not technologically correct. I have not edited the parking section. Bill Drew 12:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether an editor attends Morrisville State or is editing from Moscow, Russia and has never set foot in America makes no difference regarding the fact that parking annoyances are unencylopedic material that is better placed in the student newspaper than in a Wikipedia article. This article is not a forum for activism, but rather an encylopedic summary of important information.  Perhaps competitive parking deserves a properly worded mentioning in a Student life section.  But as it currently stands, the parking section is unencyclopedic.  As a test, open up any published-on-paper encyclopedia from any year, turn to any article in that encyclopedia that is related to any college or any university in anywhere in the world.  I predict that such investigation could go on for quite some time and never turn up any sequence of sentences resembling the parking-annoyance section of this article regarding parking or any of a hundred other potential student-annoyance topics.  I would suggest at least rewording the parking section so that it reads less like a one-sided gripe and more like an objective assessment that considers all sides of a topic, which, by the way, is Wikipedia's policy. —optikos 22:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed the information about the Technology section, and have determined that it is, actually, technologically correct. For example, the Raylink equipment used to provide wireless access across campus is in fact proprietary. It is not 802.11B or G compliant, and the only way to connect is with the Raylink (or sometimes labeled Buslink) PCMCIA card. This card is obtainable at the campus store for roughly $70 or included with the Lenovo ThinkPad provided by the school, the ThinkPad which is required (read: required) for many of the college's programs. In the dormitories, the only option for connectivity is wireless. Because the Raylink cards do not work on Linux or the Mac OS, the students have no choice but to buy the college's overpriced solution, or at least a license of Windows. Because this wireless network runs at a maximum of 2 MB/s, I think that the original statement regarding the speed and efficiency of the network for the 'digital lifestyles' of the students was realistic. Today's college students require a lot of bandwidth. Everything from music downloads and podcasts to social networking sites such as flickr, YouTube, and of course Facebook and MySpace (Morrisville students especially like these last two) drink bandwidth like water. The wireless network is old and completely saturated with users, all with pretty demanding tasks. I have restored the information, without the comment on the price of the laptop. It is hard to understand how the college suggests to be cutting edge. There's nothing wrong with this article containing information which may put the school in a negative light, so long as they're factual. When removing or editing content, you must keep in mind that you are an employee of this school, and so your information is just as biased as a student's. You must remember to not let this bias influence your posts, and hope that the students will do the same. After reading your vita on your website, I'm confident that you have the ability to remain objective in your posts. The history of this article says a lot about Morrisville students. It says that they are very active in the evolution of the internet, where the users create the content. But Morrisville is a technical school, an agricultural school. It is not a place that encourages very much creativity. I don't believe these students are vandals in the Wikipedia sense of the word. They seem more like big thinkers stifled by a controlling environment. 64.185.159.210 17:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment
Go right ahead and do whatever, I deleted material that appeared unencyclopedic, but it's your encyclopedia just as much as it is mine. Paul 07:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "They even sell magnums," does that refer to condoms or to 1.75l liquor bottles? Just curious :) Paul 08:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet more unencyclopedic content in this article. Please read Wikipedia policies.  —optikos 22:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Article title
Since the official name used by this institution throughout its website is Morrisville State College it is at best presumptive and at worst incorrect to rename the institution in the title of this article. Shouldn't the title of this article match what is presented throughout this http://www.Morrisville.edu website? I would suggest moving this article to be named Morrisville State College and have this State University of New York at Morrisville alternate name be a redirect. Because both articles currently exist, the automated move feature probably cannot be used by non-administrators. Perhaps involvement of an administrator would be a good idea to swap both articles titles/content or someone could copy-paste the swap when editing both articles. —optikos 22:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with optikos, the article's name should be changed, and this current title should forward to the changed title. -- Sixhoursago 03:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Where's the real info?
This article appears to merely POVly mention some modern-day history of this campus... Beer, parking, technology... Where's the history, structure, campus layout, etc.? -newkai | talk | contribs 17:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

In response to this comment, I added the Campus Layout section. I think it does a decent job of outlining some of the places on campus. I plan on adding more in the future. 24.58.127.164 05:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Additional Info
I am a former student and was disappointed at the lack of info on the Morrisville page. I already added a couple additional sections and am willing to add more. Is there anything anyone is interested in seeing? I will try and add more info to get closer to the structure of other university websites. Theboohi 16:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, can we remove the cleanup tag? Or is there something that really needs to be cleaned up? Theboohi 16:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)