Talk:Moscow State University/Archives/2015

practical visa issues for foreign students
Government just changed visa rules. Foreign students can only stay 3 months now. Seeking verification in the morass of Russian laws and web posts.

When has this been posted? Maybe this has gotten mixed up with russian language students, some of them stay only for three months since russian language courses aren't organized in semesters so they're shorter. I can assure you i've stayed at MSU an entire year as an exchange student and i've also met language students who stayed longer than three months

but what has this to do with moscow state university? If the russian gov't had indeed issued such a decree it would affect all russian universities.

Alex 213.200.193.129 (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

established when

 * "The university was established on January 25 (January 12 old style), 1755 by a decree of Russian Empress Elizabeth." January 25th?  Is that correct?  This page says it is January 23.  I don't know which date is correct, the 23rd or 25th, something to look into.  I should note that link is to Moscow State University itself stating it was established on January 25th. Ruy Lopez 06:08, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * http://www.msu.ru/info/history.html - Jan 25. --Gene s 06:29, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Red Star?
I noticed on the picture that there is a star on top of the University.. is that some sort of Soviet emblem or a miscellaneous star? If it ’s related to the USSR, is there any controversy in keeping it? I just ask because I remember something about some discourse and the eventual removal of the star on St. Basil Cathedral. -G
 * Yes, this is a Soviet emblem. For examble, see Kremlin stars. Moscvitch (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There is actually a big star? but it cannot be called red anyway. It's something like gold) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.77.56.126 (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There had 'never' been a star over St.Basil Cathedral! There are stars over Kremlin towers, but they are still not proposed to be removed.

The star over MSU building is a Soviet symbol in spite of it's colour. The scyscraper was raised under Soviet rule, so the star is an integral part of the architectural heritage object. Nobody proposes to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.16.139.218 (talk) 09:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Oldest University
There is nothing to argue about. Moscow state university is not the oldest neither in Russia nor former USSR. Papushin 18:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * But the date of its foundation is officially recognized as the day of Russian students. Apparently you *have to* argue about. -- Ghirla -трёп-  06:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * MSU is the oldest continuously operating university in Russia, period.  Grue   10:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm MSU graduate myself so it's hard for me but even the link says St. Petersburg university is the oldest one. The only credible link I found on MSU being the oldest was interview of Sadovnichy when he said MSU was "first university created by all rules, with empress decree and inaguration"... very doubtful statement from my opinion, it means university created without Empress decree cannot be the oldest. Kazan university sometimes refered as the oldest in Russia but I cannot find historical evidence on Internet. Yes, I agree that Tatyana's day is the day of Russian students but it's not because MSU was oldest. It was not celebrated as such until last century, it was MSU students day only. (Do you guys congratulate each other with Tatyana's day each year? We do. And if you ask us we don't think it's all-Russian student day...) Papushin 01:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I defended my dissertation in St Pete University and was present during the 275th anniversary festivities there, yet I still feel there is no alternative to Moscow University as the oldest continuously existing university in the country. St Pete University did not function between 1803 and 1819, as my entry in List of oldest universities in continuous operation correctly points out. -- Ghirla -трёп-  14:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is, it claims but do we know?--Jakezing (talk) 13:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Stub
And why did you guys kill my stub template? Do you think that page about largest university in Russia consisting of 3 small paragraphs can be called something else? Papushin 01:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:STUB to learn the rules. After more than 30,000 edits in this project, I don't see what the use of stub templates anyways. -- Ghirla -трёп-  14:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Short but not short enough to be useless", I guess this is what this article is... Stubs are used to attract attention of people who want to contribute but don't know where from my perspective. Papushin 17:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hubbard room
I once heard that there was a library or a lecture room in the Moscow University that was named after L. Ron Hubbard.

Does anyone know whether this is true? If it is true, does it still have that name?

Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni 13:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

"Well-to-do petits bourgeois"? "Children of the proletariat"?
Er... where do you get that sort of "impartial info" from? Dahn 16:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

departments
Why do faculties are called departments in the article? --132.73.80.97 14:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Put disputed tag on top of the section. Still waiting for reply. --132.73.80.97 10:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, in Russian they are called факультет ("faculty") and translated into English as "Faculty" at the official website of MSU. According to Wiki definition of the academic department, it is rather a subdivision of the Faculty. I believe, we should change all entries of "department" into "faculty". Cmapm 10:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. --132.73.80.97 10:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Soviet years
Almost nothing about the Soviet times. Xx236 16:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

10 months later
Still Soviet propaganda. No names of imprisoned professors and students, no numbers. Nothing about censorship. When talking about science - partially true. But what about philosophy, historiography, econopmy? ALmost none.

The Great Patriotic War against Fascism is probably a Soviet name, Germany was rather Nazi than fascist.Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a phrase "Thousands of students were also expelled." - but the bad tsar did it. I bet that the expulsion was not so bad comparing to Gulag.Xx236 (talk) 13:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

University scholars popularized the ideas patriotism
Is the phrase correct? Xx236 (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Shalamov was a good writer, but for the history of University it is not notable enough
The History paragraphis unacceptable. Why don't you rewrite it, if you have time to remove Shalamov's name? How many MGU students and professors were arrested? How many were executed? If many - they should be mentioned here. If Shalamov was the one, he should be mentioned as an exception.

A reader should be explained what was the difference between a capitalistic university, eg. the University of Washington, and the MGU. This article doesn't inform. A misinformation is generally worse than lack of information. Xx236 (talk) 10:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Issues regarding MSU Sociology Dept.
See From Russia With Hate: Paul Cameron @ Moscow State U. Sociology Dept., dated 1 July 2008. --72.70.5.71 (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Lomonosov Moscow State University
After the user Matthead discuß!    O       16:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC) in here: This page states that Lomonosov Moscow State University is the proper name of the university in English. --WPK (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

17 MB .png photo should be converted to jpeg
The photograph at the bottom of the page(address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Main_building_msu.png) is 17 MB. This can be reduced by at least an order of magnitude by converting it to a jpeg. I would do this but I don't have enough edits for that permission. Looneyboy784 (talk) 15:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

University rankings
Rankings paragraph is very controversial. Reader of this paragraph will likely think that overall idea of paragraph is that MSU is not in top 5 list of Russian universities and scored bad in international ratings. But it will definitely NOT a correct conclusion, because


 * 1) MSU have the highest scores out of all Russian universities in all mentioned international ratings in 2011 (e.g. 112th place vs 251th place for next russian competitor in QS)
 * 2) MSU have a lot of faculties and specializations, with some faculties being really weak and some faculties being very strong. An average score does not show this differences. E.g. MSU have #38 world ranking in Natural Sciences, #140 in Arts, #140 in Engineering, #182 in Social Sciences, and #190 in Life Sciences. An average rating is #112.
 * 3) Mentioned Russian Forbes ranking is a very controversal and does not follow international ranking standards. It measure average score of common national exam for students enrolled to universities this year. This approximately shows how respective university is popular along the school graduates. The problem with this rating is that it's top places are occupied by very specialized universities that have only one, but popular faculty. E.g. MGIMO (#2) is specialized in high-profile jurists and politics, with very special bonuses for its graduates, specific to Russia only. For example, if you want to be an ambassador of Russia you don't really have any choice - MGIMO is the only one university that will provide you with a chance to became an ambassador. There is no surprise that such an university will be popular and compete well against any other university that specialized in *different* disciplines where more competitors are available. Averaging the score along faculties also works against MSU, because high score of top faculties is diluted by low scores of non-popular faculties. E.g. MSU score has to include scores of students that are going to study geophysics, that is *very* unpopular in Russia now. There is little surprise that since only few people want to study geophysics, university will have to enroll students with a low national exam score, making average national exam score per whole university lower. Original rankings maker (Higher School of Economics) names its rating, literally, "Ranking of quality of entrance examinations in Russian universities" (rus: Рейтинг качества приема в российские государственные вузы), and it was re-named to "University rankings" only by journalists later. I suggest to remove it completely or at least make clear its methodology in text, so it won't confuse readers.

I'll try to modify the paragraph to more neutral and accurate style. Please correct me if I'm wrong

89.179.144.142 (talk) 15:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Official names
This lists the official names of the university: WhisperToMe (talk) 14:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.msu.ru/en/info/name.html
 * http://www.webcitation.org/67DMKujPj

Discrimination against Jews
I'm a bit surprised not to see anything about MSU's (former?) policy of not allowing any Jews in some departments, notably math; see eg. and. Am I missing something? Jpatokal (talk) 11:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Moscow State University crop.jpg to appear as POTD
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Moscow State University crop.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on February 26, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-02-26. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:21, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Mkativerata (talk) 10:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Jail
No swimming pool here. It is a jail. RippleSax (talk) 19:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)