Talk:Moshe David Tendler

Link question
Aside from the truth, what is it exactly about the link http://www.dhengah.org/mbp/tendlervstendler.htm that bothers you so much that you have removed it three times? Dr. Tendler is the source (linked, referenced, and documented) for most of the material. Take a deep breathe and try to come to grips with the truth. As the Rambam says the truth remains the truth and even if the whole world says different it doesn't change the truth. It's not going to go away just because you keep deleting my factual documented links.--pikipiki 00:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

The changes you removed are factual, I should have used more references, they were not at my fingertips. The link you have twice removed, has dozens of sources and references, many from YU commentator and YUTORAH.ORG, it is possible that it is not complimentary, but it is very well documented. I'm sorry if the truth bothers you, but the link is very authoratative, your deletion is clearly to slant the information to your POV by covering the FACTS. The FACT that YU altered the original recording might make feel you have a heter to delete information that you don't want publicized, but the FACTS are very clear. Please leave the link, it contains only FACTS. I'm sorry if this offends or bothers you.--pikipiki 22:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I presume you are referring to edits made by 38.117.234.162. JFW | T@lk  00:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

these changes by an anon IP.
Regarding these changes by an anon IP.

None of the additions are cited in any way, and some of them are most likely verifiable (Tendler once said in class....) There are some facts in there, which, if true, could be useful additions to the page, but at the moment they're unverified, and almost everything you wrote was riddle with POV statements and phrases (which is the ultimate reason I had to delete them). If the author of those changes is reading this, you may also want to register for a username as it will make communication much easier. Feel free to try again, but try to cite your facts, and most importantly, avoid promoting your POV. --Bachrach44 14:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dual standard by Jfdwolff, I suppose flatulance is more important
The link to | Tendler vs. Tendler contains 67 links, 51 of them are sources referencing Dr. Tendler or actual recorded quotes by Dr. Tendler himself. You chose to delete that link three times. When it comes flatulance, you leave the authors questionable claim and merely ask for a source (Which has not yet been given.) Why is that acceptable, but a documented page containg 67 different supporting links is not acceptable. You should really start thinking about the truth, even if you find it distasteful.--pikipiki 04:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Vital Statistics
Hey, am I missing something, or what? (Or both of the above, perhaps.) Maybe I need new eyeglasses, but so far as I can see, the article provides neither a date nor place of birth for the man. Is that intentional, or are we just too busy debating political and religious aspects of the man to pay attention to little details like that, or even care? Toddcs 17:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Reb Moshe
Reb Moshe is referred to as a "well-known posek?" That's rather faint praise for a man who was widely considered the Gadol Hador. I'll have to dig up the New York Times reference that called him the world's foremost Halachic authority.-- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 06:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Well, I may be totally confused here, but I've never heard that the policies or objectives of Wikipedia include praising anyone, faintly or otherwise. Now, if you feel the article as written misrepresents the facts, then please rephrase your comment. Toddcs (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Reference to Mordecai Tendler
Hi. I'm concerned that new or anon editors seem to be removing the reference to his son, Mordecai Tendler. Aside from the obvious bio relevance, they worked together in helping R. Moshe Feinstein. In addition, the father's life has been a bit influenced by his son's problems. Granted, it's not the most pleasant situation for Tendler senior, but there's no reason to try to sweep it under the rug, either. So, if you want the text removed, please explain here. If you feel the text belongs, please help me keep it intact. Thanks! HG | Talk 21:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

One time changes by hit and run.
There has been a constant slew of driveby editings, probably made by the same person. Motis operandi is as follows: He creates a user name, edits the Moshe Dovid Tendler article only, then deletes his user name so he can't be banned. Some of the names used for this are: B4-40for, Cirdtir, Acco2008, Tmmcvs111, Tmmcvs1111, Tmmcvs11111, NIOLLIB98. User Tmmcvs11111 was also deleted and only has a talk page by virtue of the fact that I created a talk page to voice my concerns that he keeps deleteing my request for a citation instead of posting a source for the claim that MDT recieved rabbinical ordination from Rabbis Moshe Feinstien, and J.B. Soloveichik. Despite the fact there are minibiographies of MDT on the YUTORAH.ORG website, the Community Synagogue of Monsey website, pew forum website, and there are details of his life in his books, none of them mention this factoid. Therefore I will continue to delete it. The second issue is a long winded discussion about one particlar responsa that Tendler wrote, which is in effect a commercial for hods.org, that has no place in the article. Thirdly, a reference page with dozens of links, mostly Tendler himself in his own words, (no matter how uncomplimentary it may be) keeps getting deleted by the same person trying to canonize this man. (Contentious material removed per WP:BLP)-- Beloved Freak  12:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)  pikipiki (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Some recent additions look plausible but need sources. Please supply. Thanks. HG | Talk 16:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Read WP:BLP and believe it. -- Hoary (talk) 09:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Knowing nothing about Tendler, I decided to look at this, linked to close above here. One section reappeared within this article. I therefore deleted it from this article.

Partial plagiarism is not tolerated in Wikipedia.

I start to wonder whether more of this article might have been lifted from elsewhere. If so, delete it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding and identifying the copyright violation. What parts do you consider unencyclopedic or otherwise problematic? Please give the text or the diff. Thanks. HG | Talk 15:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See this recent deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 00:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Opposition
Is it Wikipedia's policy to protect a particular person's image against all facts? Why is there no summary of the storms-in-teapots that Tendler has caused? I am truly interested in reading them, and would appreciate if someone could list them and give us the basic details, such as the names of the players - all in the most pacifist and neutral way - of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.241.3 (talk) 05:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Factual presentation is acceptable. If you provide a list of links to relevant coverage of any controversies (e.g., from The Forward), then editors (or you) can write them up. Thanks. HG | Talk 09:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

external links and citations
This article is in need of some cleanup. I decided to tackle the external links and citations first. There were a lot of things that were "cited" in the external links, so I moved them inline. A lot of these were actually put there by myself - this was before I completely understood how citations were supposed to work so I left my supporting evidence in the links rather than doing proper refs. I also improved all of the existing citations so that they all use the citation templates. Once that was done most of the ELs served no purpose (again, I was initially just putting all my references there), so I removed them as Wikipedia is not a directory of links.

The one thing I was to address very clearly is the consistent addition of an attack page to the External links section. I would like to quote briefly from WP:EL: In biographies of living people, material available solely in questionable sources or sources of dubious value should be handled with caution, and, if derogatory, should not be used at all, either as sources or via external links.

There is a particular attack page has been added repeatedly by the same individual over the past few years, and has been repeatedly removed by other wikipedia editors. Please stop adding attack pages to the EL section. Wikipedia is not the place for you to voice your opinion or quarrel. This is a place for verifiable, referenced, neutral point-of-view information ONLY. --Bachrach44 (talk) 14:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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