Talk:Mot (god)

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Semantic god? Did you mean Semitic? 75.14.209.28 (talk) 22:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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about death being a deity. the jewish religion is a monotheistic religion. you can not have another deity except of "god" ("Hebrew scriptures" in the article).

3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God" (Exodus 20:3-5)

judaism dos not have a pantheon ("thou shalt..." etc) while you might cosider elijah, he is first a prophet, and has no "mythical" power of his own, all is by "god", he is more of an angle then a deity by far, he comes to births, briss's, passover, etc to bring god's blessing, not his own. "death" can be mistaken as a deity by the monolog with god and the people of the torah, but if you read it in hebrew you will beter understand that his name is "the angle of death", he is a angel with power from god and not of his own.

"Yetzer hara" which has a monolog with god in the gmara but a) he is more of an angle with a job then a diety with power of his own. and b) he is more of a figure of speach then a being In and of itself, the gmara gives the "Yetzer hara" a personality of its own to better understand the concept of "Yetzer hara" while it is considerd aas more of a force of nature (rambam, introduction the chapter chalak in the tract of sanhedrin in the gmara.

editors, pleas change it to better understand the concept of mot... while meny of the Canaanite and philistine gods were worshiped by the Israelites, thay were not following the jewish religion. (37.26.147.212 (talk) 08:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC))


 * Modern archaeology has, however, uncovered ample evidence in support of a theory that, before the Babylonian captivity, polytheism was in fact normal throughout Israel, and that Yahweh himself was worshipped as a duo with his consort Asherah, a figure who does appear in the Bible, but whose presence in the text is generally translated as pole or tree.
 * Nuttyskin (talk) 00:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * What the archeologies of the modern era have shown is something that was less known until now, which is that there was a goddess, 'Athirat', worshipped by the Ugarites, and other such pagan peoples.


 * What those certain modern 'archeologists' you describe now claim is that the account of the destruction of idols and pagan worship under Josiah found in the Book of Chronicles was something late and craftily invented, in order to hide the the supposed origins they impugn upon the faith of the ancient Jews.


 * In reality, this is ridiculous falsehood, and the discoveries of the modern era, with their proper dates, perfectly align with the account in the Chronicles, which tells that that many idolatries and pagan practices, including the raising up of 'groves', had begun during the reign of Manasseh, and who, it is written, even set up pagan altars in the house of the Lord.


 * No 'Asherah' is referred to specifically in this Book, as a particular pagan deity, but rather the cultic idols which the extant Hebrew text calls 'aserim', and which the Septuagint calls 'groves' (Άλση). These were trees, or perhaps sometimes wooden poles, known to pagan worship - whether they were associated with 'Asherah' by those who raised them is unclear.  It is most probable that those scant few findings from this time of pagan adultery which survive (Among the most famous being a pottery fragment with an image, and an inscription reading 'YHWH and His Asera') often refer specifically to these cult objects.


 * Even the aforementioned deluded 'archeologists' to whom you appeal do not frequently deny the existence of such cultic things, at least as far as I knew; Although they may well have grown yet more deluded and dark with time although their darkness was already, so to speak, complete. Zusty001 (talk) 05:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Editing of part entitled "Hebrew Scriptures"; Related edits
The existence of such a suggestion within the cited book (Edelman, 1996) does not give warrant to the uncritical reproducing of such a basically false allegation here, so flippantly slandering Scripture as speaking of multiple gods (As appears to be claimed yet further in that section of the book). The previous "Talk" section should also be seen in relation to this. The first part has been changed because the suggestions about Death being actually, and not merely linguistically, made into a solid entity by the ancient Jews, into a devil, with the very nature of death in Scripture as such being alleged as having been inherited from "Canaanite" paganism, are the writer's own suggestions, not something in Scripture. The claim about death itself (Heb. מות, 'Maweth') being described as an 'angel of death' are something Cassuto ascribes to Scripture, or to the ancient Jews in some broader sense, but does not give a source for or clarify.

It should be noted explicitly that Cassuto's suggestions thus contradict those of Edelman.

If certain scholarly suggestions about a relation between death in Scripture and the Mot of the Ugaritic texts are to be given to expand this section, it should be for encyclopedic purposes - and in an encyclopedic manner, not simply reproducing falsehoods based from a single citation of such a nature.

Relevant edits will be made to the introductory section (The allegation that the Canaanite deity Mot is mentioned in Scripture) and to the infobox (Both the painting from St. Lawrence Church in Lohja, Finland, depicting Hell, and the description attached to this). Zusty001 (talk) 09:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)