Talk:Mother Gothel

IP Editor changing the info box
As many of the regular editors to this page are aware, an IP has been changing the infobox to claim that this particular character was created by the Brothers Grimm. It seems to be good faith, judging by their other edits, but it's been reverted three times by three different editors (including me). Could this person please stand up and give a rationale for these edits? There is already a consensus in place, and ignoring it means we will have to revert the next edit adding this to the info box. If this continues like this, we may have to take further steps against your apparent (note the word apparent) vandalism. We'd all like to avoid that, so if you could explain your edits so that we can discuss it, that would make everybody happy, Luthien22 (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Not a witch
An IP editor using different IPs from same place (likely the person as in above comment) is adding the false information that this version of Mother Gothel is a sorceress and a witch. The article goes into a fair amount of well-referenced detail in the section of why the creators made that decision: "A departure from traditional Disney villains, Mother Gothel is not a witch or a sorceress. Because she lacks supernatural powers, the character is forced to rely solely on her wit, charm, intellect and charisma, a conscious decision made by Greno and Howard". Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Ursula is not mentioned by critics
This "Ursula from The Little Mermaid (1989)" has been removed from the lead section as no critics listed in the article stated "However, some critics felt that Gothel was simply too passive" and listed Ursula as an exemplar. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Potential source
Here is an interesting source for this article here for a more sympathetic reading of the character. Might be helpful in further crafting/revising the "Reception" section. Aoba47 (talk) 04:49, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 7 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 17:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Mother Gothel → Gothel (Tangled) – Gothel redirects to Rapunzel. I request that the title be changed to avoid ambiguity. 107.0.6.250 (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Current title is already a good one per WP:NATDIS - "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title". Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Should Gothel redirect to this page? --73.100.199.220 (talk) 17:29, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Gothel should probably be a disambiguation page that points to both articles. Wait for this move discussion to be resolved first. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:48, 7 July 2018 (UTC)


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"Godmother" in German?

 * According to Kay Turner, author of the book Transgressive Tales: Queering the Grimms, "Gothel" means "godmother" in German.

This is sourced, but I can't find anywhere easily accessible any indication that "Gothel" (or "Göthel"/"Goethel") is or ever was anything but a name in German. Since such a thing should be fairly easy to find, I suspect this may fall under WP:FRINGE? Twin Bird (talk) 09:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)