Talk:Mothers of Plaza de Mayo/Archive 1

"born again of their children"?
Can someone please explain what "the Mothers have united under two collective aims: first, that they were born again of their children" means? &mdash; Jeandré, 2005-06-23t19:34z


 * Maybe, where it is written:


 * For nearly three decades, the Mothers have united under two collective aims: first, that they were born again of their children and, second, that they have all become mothers to the victims of repression in Argentina.


 * An editor would say...


 * For nearly three decades, the Mothers have fought for the right to re-unite with their abducted children.


 * elpincha 01:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

````RESPONSE: They really mean that with the disappearance of their children, they were "born again" with a new outlook on life, a new mission, a new purspose, a new cause. It was as if their children gave birth to them in a new way.

"Mothers of the May Square"?
"Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo" get over 44K hits on Google, but "Mothers of the May Square" gets about 200. I am moving this article to the more common name, if you object please give your reason before moving it back. Brian Z 14:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Mothers of the May Square → Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo – The existing article is a total translation which is rarely used (about 200 hits on Google). The mixed-language version is more widely understood, even by monolingual English speakers (over 40,000 hits on Google). Brian Z 14:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Survey
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~
 * Support. As per nominator. Plaza de Mayo has passed on to English language, in the same way as desaparecido to a lesser extense, has. It does not require translation. Asterion talk 17:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. I believe the rename came about as a result of WP:UE, but this is too much. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 21:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose I just came here from WP:RM, I don't know at all about this subject.. I am sorry, but I am neither Spanish or have any relation to this subject, but I follow world politics and have known about them as Mothers of the May Square (in English, French and Turkish - my native languages); it is a bit authoritarian to say it has passed on to English language.. No it hasn't.. In Spanish Wiki it can be named as such, but otherwise it would be confusing for English speakers who don't know anything about this subject... Baristarim 22:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You may not know it by that name but it has certainly passed on to English language. Check the BBC News website . Regards, Asterion talk 22:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Per BBC, UN, etc. Bolivian Unicyclist 14:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, Plaza de Mayo is a name, not a description, are we next going to translate Buenos Aires?? Besides, it is widely used in English langauge. Mariano (t/c) 07:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Per Mariano. Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
Comment - I accept the argument that the BBC's naming carries some authority, but the BBC calls the group the Grandmothers of the Plaza del Mayo, not the "Mothers…". --Stemonitis 15:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Those are a related but different group of activists. The argument holds, of course. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

This move request has been accepted and completed. - Ganeshk  ( talk ) 04:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Bonafini's support of Cuba, Iran, etc.
I've just removed several allegations of Bonafini's support for a number of causes. The sources provided were links to articles that described e.g. the relationship between Venezuela and Iran and Bonafini's support of the Cuban revolution. The Venezuela-Iran article makes no mention at all of Bonafini or Hezbollah. The article on Bonafini and Cuba shows that Bonafini defends the persecution of dissidents, and specifically has her contradicting the idea that Castro is unique or needed for the revolution (and thus the claim that "Bonafini supports Castro's personality cult"). "Saddam Hussein's book" is not such -- they were texts written by S.H., collected by another person, and the subject of the texts was not mentioned.

Bonafini's ideas should be better expanded in her own article, and with good references. The claims above were based in what I'd call (at least) very sloppy research. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

About this subject, this video: [] in spanish talks about this fact.Agre22 (talk) 12:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)agre22

Fail to mention their support to ETA
This article fail to mention their support to ETA (a violent Spanish terrorist group) in the form of distribution and promotion of their propagandistic videos (videos produced by ramifications of ETA itself, more precisely Askapena and Resumen Latinoamericano). You can check this in their bulleting number 123: clicking here

And also, no criticism section ? a very biased article in my opinion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

POV
As the previous post said, I think there's definitely some POV in this article. In the "Support of Leftist Guerrillas" section, the first paragraph is very clearly biased, as is the comment about the elites, oligarchy, and media barons, and the Venezuelan coup (Chavez at that point was democratically elected, but we can't forget that he originally came to power through a coup against a democratically elected government). I realize that with Latin America there is going to be a lot of point/counterpoint, because of the presence of both leftist and rightist tyranny and brutality, but I find this unacceptable. Gtbob12 (talk) 18:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

9000
Seriously? Over 9000 people.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.236.156.93 (talk) 17:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Name of mothers used on wiki Netherlands
Foolish Mothers (Dwaze Moeders) based in the Netherlands is an organisation helping to highlight the fact that from at least 2005 to 1010 (ongoing as I write this) children in the netherlands dissapear by the hands of the governement and organisations operating for this governement. These children do slavelabour or are put in jails. They chose the name because the plight is the same. In Wiki however the name Dwaze Moeders is taken by the politica's of the PVDA and they put in references to other wiki pages about these politica's and a short and utterly incomplete version of this site, followed by a reference to the real name of the organisation in Holland called 'steun aan argentijnse moeders' and the following: Onomstreden waren en zijn de Madres niet. Met name hun voorzitter Hebe de Bonafini, die een bewonderaar is van Fidel Castro, uit zich regelmatig nogal provocerend. Hebe de Bonafini admirer of Fidel Castro was uttering provokingly on a regular basis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikimothers (talk • contribs) 10:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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Grandmothers
In the Grandmothers section it indicates that 128 grandchildren have been identified. I believe that number is up to 129 (as of April 2019). Rjulland (talk) 17:11, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Rjulland

http://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/grandmothers-of-plaza-de-mayo-identify-129th-missing-grandchild.phtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjulland (talk • contribs) 17:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)