Talk:Mothra vs. Godzilla

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''But this was actually a deleted scene in Japan (and not made exclusively for AIP, contrary to legend), and included only in prints outside Japan for international marketing. It was seen briefly in the original Japanese trailer. The reason for its deletion was that Japanese viewers, who were still sensitive after WWII, were supposedly offended by seeing American missiles hit Japanese ground.''

Source? Thanos6 05:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for source, or I'll delete this...Thanos6 03:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

is the plot outline correct? i saw recently a version of this movie which had quite different plot 84.251.128.206 20:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and patience! Armegon (talk) 11:43, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and patience! Armegon (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Article must be written in English
The use of the Japanese terms "tokusatsu kaiju" in the lead presumably appeals to genre afficionados, but it is wikipedia policy for articles to be written in English. the words could simply be rplaced with the English "special effects monster" but I see no problem keeping the Japanese terms so long qas they can be glossed in some way. Any suggestions before I change the wording?

American Version
The American version of the movie calls Infant Island "Mothra Island" for whatever reason. Bad translation, I guess. 207.216.197.154 (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Canadian Release
Added a reference to the fact that the 1964 AIP release included Canada as well as the U.S. (source: myself, since I saw it that year...) 猫に小判 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 猫に小判 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Producer/Writer credits in lead

 * OPPOSED: I think it's absolutely unnecessary to add the writers and producers in the lead when readers can easily find them in the infobox but User:MatthewHoobin argues that it is necessary. The lead is suppose to be a brief summary covering key points of the article. Adding the writers/producers credit just bloats the lead further. Not that the lead is completely bloated but where will it end? I found an edit from Matthew Hoobin where he even added the music composers credit to the lead, check here. I understand that these credits were instrumental to the fruition of these films. I get it, but as editors, we need to have a level of consistency and organization in the lead based notability and what's already easily covered in the infobox. Armegon (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support: WP:FILMLEAD allows for writers and producers to be mentioned in the lead: "If any writers or producers are well-known, they can also be identified in the paragraph". Both Shinichi Sekizawa and especially Tomoyuki Tanaka are notable, and both were important in the development of the franchise. Not only would mentioning Sekizawa and Tanaka in the lead make the article more consistent with most other film articles, but I also feel that it's about as redundant as listing the people who starred in the film (after all, the members of the cast are already listed in the infobox and in the Cast section). I also would not describe it as "bloat[ing] the lead further", as the lead sections of film articles should probably aspire to be more than a paragraph or a paragraph-and-a-half long. – Matthew  - (talk) 22:10, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I do concede, in retrospect, that mentioning Akira Ifukube as the composer in the lead for Terror of Mechagodzilla was unnecessary. I did feel that it was somewhat relevant to mention him returning to compose for the final film of the Shōwa era, but I now see that mentioning him in the article's lead was not needed. I say this per WP:FILMLEAD, and since, heck, there's no mention of Bernard Herrmann in the lead of Psycho, nor is there mention of John Williams in the lead of Jaws, etc. – Matthew  - (talk) 22:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Huh. Well now I feel like a big idiot. I withdraw my argument, in that case. Armegon (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now: While I agree these people are important for the franchise, we wouldn't mention the producer of all the Marvel films in the lead of every Marvel film, even if that person is really important. Also, the article currently does not mention the producer's influence on the film whatsoever and the screenwriter information in the prose is unsourced. I would be for it if you could explain why the screenwriter was important with sourced info, but otherwise, we are stuffing things into the article without giving anyone context to why it is important. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Production section review
Please note this is not a review of the articles GA nomination but rather an editor's observation of the titled production section. Looking over the production section of this article, I do find this section a bit underdeveloped in terms of the sub-section son the film's development and writing. There is a lot more information out there that once can place and cite in this article that tells of these aspects of the film's production, so much more work is needed here to expand those. Also there is not a lot of information on the principle photography, just the film's special effects. I suggest taking a good look around and add/expand a "Filming" sub-section. Again this is all observations that I have that will help the eventual GA review move along more smoothly. I also suggest taking a good look at the other sections and see if there is anything you need to fine tune or expand. Anyways hope this helps.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the information on the development and writing sub-sections were the only pieces available for those categories. I own an extensive collection of books and English audio commentaries on the topic of the making behind Godzilla films, and this was the best I could find. I could only find extensive information on the effects, and it makes sense to give that sub-section priority given that it is an effects driven, or rather, a tokusatsu film. Armegon (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

If that is the case I suggest combining the writing and development sections together. The big reason the movie was made was both characters were hugely popular, so perhaps a little background description on the two will suffice cause both the success of Mothra and Godzilla spawned this crossover. If you have not checked Google books I suggest you do so. I always am able to find a treasure trove of information. A big one that I know is the books written by Tom Weaver and Bill Warren. If not I can also do some digging of my own if you want any help.--Paleface Jack (talk) 22:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course! I'd appreciate the help. Anything to help it pass GA nom. Armegon (talk) 07:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * After doing a little digging I have got some books you can look at on Google Books. I will keep looking into stuff when I have the time but here is a list of book titles:


 * Japan's Favorite Mon-star: The Unauthorized Biography of "The Big G" By Steve Ryfle


 * The Psychotronic Video Guide To Film By Michael Weldon (review)


 * Keep Watching the Skies!: American Science Fiction Movies of the Fifties ... By Bill Warren


 * Apocalypse Then: American and Japanese Atomic Cinema, 1951-1967 By Mike Bogue


 * American International Pictures: A Comprehensive Filmography By Rob Craig


 * The Toho Studios Story: A History and Complete Filmography By Stuart Galbraith, IV Paleface Jack (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it. I've culled some info from Ryfle's "Japan's Favorite Mon-star" and Ryfle's audio commentary, which culls info from the same book too. A chunk of the source I used was Ryfle and Godziszewski's 2017 biography on Ishiro Honda and his works, but I'll take a look at the rest, just in case. Thanks a bunch! Armegon (talk) 19:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem brother. I am gonna try to do as little edits as possible cause its your show. as far as production section goes you can always give like a sort of background like why the film was made if you get some reliable sources. I will try and work on a casting sub-section when I have time.--19:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be so great! Thanks again! Armegon (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Just FYI I would do a little rewriting of the production section of the article. The opening currently reads "Before production began, Honda discussed with his cast that with the competition television has been posing for the movies". this can be redone to have "Development of Mothra vs. Godzilla began in (year development began), inspiration for the film came from the inspired success of Honda's previous efforts Mothra and Godzilla" this can be reworked to your style and liking cause the current opening to that section is a little abrupt. I will try and do some cast info today.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the whole purpose of that opening is Honda's quote regarding Toho's intention's with the target audience. We can probably rewrite it as, "Prior to production, Honda discussed Toho's intentions with the cast due to the then rising success of television, stating..." and then we segues into the quote. Armegon (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

That sounds better, I would transfer the info you have in the lead into the respective sections. Info such as the success of King Kong vs. Godzilla sounds like something you should add to the production section in the beginning paragraph.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Extraneous information on crew
Per my previous edit on another Godzilla page. I'm applying the rules What Wikipedia is not which states " does not aim to contain all data or expression found elsewhere.". In short, these extra cast members lack context and WP:FILMPRODUCTION, which states that we attempt "to maintain a production standpoint, referring to public announcements only when these were particularly noteworthy or revealing about the production process." What information is being gleamed here from these extra details in crew? They have no Wikipedia articles, and it doesn't encourage an understanding of what they are doing and comes off as trivial. Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it truly necessary to bring this dispute to every single Godzilla article talk page? You've already brought up the dispute at the talk page for Ghidorah. We should establish a general consensus there for all Godzilla articles retaining crew lists. Armegon (talk) 17:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel weird discussing it on only one film article when it should probably be discussed at WP:FILM's talk page instead, but either way. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:16, 24 March 2022 (UTC)