Talk:Motionless in White

Debut album
I'm proposing that When Love Met Destruction is actually their full-length debut album and not an EP. The release is much too long to be an EP (11 tracks, over 30 minutes in running time) and was even marketed through the Tragic Hero website as a full-length. - GunMetal Angel  19:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The article currently states that this was a six-track EP. Is that incorrect? (Or was there an initial EP release and an expanded reissue?) Chubbles (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I'm guessing someone messed-up with the track listing for it and had it as 11 tracks when there's actually six. I ordered the thing last week on disc and when it arrived in the mail I realized what was said on here back last month was wrong. Well, it's fixed now. • GunMetal Angel  22:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Both are correct. When Love Met Destruction was original release as an 11 track full length in 2008 by Masquerade Recordings. After signing to Fearless, they re-recorded 6 of those 11 tracks and used them for the EP that was release under the same title through Tragic Hero Records in 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.97.26 (talk) 05:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

gothic and doom metal?
Dude why the fuck is gothic and doom metal listed as genres. fucking explain. their sound has no gothic or doom in it at all. Their sound is completely metalcore/post hardcore. that's it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.202.97 (talk • contribs)
 * There is no doom metal listed as a genre on here. And furthermore, they don't play post-hardcore anymore, that was on their demo, now they're a metalcore band with a gothic metal influence hence the haunting clean vocals, keyboards and slow Lacuna Coil-esque riffs usually in choruses. • GunMetal Angel  22:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There xxwas doom metal on it, but not anymore because i changed it. Most of their music is pretty much metalcore and most the clean vocals are basic pop punk based, like most metalcore bands. But i do get where you are coming from with some songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.202.97 (talk) 02:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would also like to know what makes this band gothic metal? Lacuna Coil is not a good exmaple of Gothic metal. The bands that started the genre were mixing Doom and death meatl on top of it no one source even lists them as such. Record labels don't count either. --Epica124 (talk) 03:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lacuna Coil is a good example of goth metal. Hell, even Deathstars is. This band even gets influence from Cradle of Filth which has been called "extreme gothic metal". As for the sources (excluding what their record label said) here you go: — even some sources refer to them as "gothic metalcore", but I can't find those ATM. •  GunMetal Angel  04:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't care what there influence is that does not make them gothic metal and neither source calls them gothic. Unless you have better sources that needs to come off. The first link lists them as metalcore and post-hardcore. The other link does not even list them at all. Again either find better sources or I'm going to have it removed. --Epica124 (talk) 22:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I guess that entry from the second source had the band deleted. There was a page for them and I don't know. Guess it's not there anymore. •  GunMetal Angel  22:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: here are all the sources (besides the one from Metal Kingdom and their label's website) that list them as either gothic metal or gothic rock (excluding whatever subgenre leads on after the word "goth" or "gothic") » •  GunMetal Angel  23:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Associated Acts
Would Escape the Fate and Get Scared be one since TJ Bell had left MIW for them Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 08:39, 7 May 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 08:39, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope • GunMetal Angel  08:48, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thomas "TJ" Bell redirect
I think his name should redirect to Escape the Fate's article since he is now part of that band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariel Edwards (talk • contribs) 22:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

MiW being Satanists?
It seems either we have a troll or I'm misinformed.

I quote: "This album is a little different to the other albums that Motionless in White have recorded. Infamous is all about them coming clean. Coming clean about being Satanists. Infamous is about how Motionless In White sacrifice all their fans to the mighty dark lord Satan. This album should not fall into the hands of any teenager for their own safety."

I do believe that this is wrong and seeing as there is no references I'm going to delete it. Feel free to revert it if I'm wrong.

EDIT: I think I have found the troll, He goes by the name of "Se7endaystothewolves". He appears to have made several edits to the page, None of them good or referenced. Ty163 (talk) 13:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 March 2013
add a picture of the band to the page]

Ccdreamer (talk) 21:50, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You need to provide a specific picture to add to the article that complies with the image use policy. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 22:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Brandon Richter
Ok, excuse me if I'm doing this wrong I've never had an account on wikipedia nor am I sure how this works

I notice Brandon isn't listed as a member yet, I was wondering if there were any plans to do that? Or do you need like...a written statement for it to be considered verified? I know the band hasn't been very clear about whether he's an official member or not. Chris posted a vague tweet to someone that they had a drummer for their upcoming tours and said that, "Our friend Brandon will be playing with us." Nobody has been very sure if he meant temporarily or permanently, but then Brandon Richter's instagram says "Drummer for Motionless In White/The Witch Was Right" and pictures surfaced of the boys at a photoshoot and Brandon was included. It seems to me they wouldn't include Brandon in promotional shots, nor would his instagram list him as MIW's drummer unless he was joining the band as a permanent member.

I'll include links of everything I've referred to and I'll leave this to you all to figure out as I know nothing about this wikipedia thing. I don't want to ask anyone to add Brandon if we don't think this is enough to verify him as "official" yet. :)

Instagram page: http://instagram.com/brandonragexxx Tweet 1: https://twitter.com/ChrisMotionless/status/311536798243364864 Tweet 2: https://twitter.com/ChrisMotionless/status/311537008881303552 Image 1: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i1CCcFvKIQI/UUzjwIpReWI/AAAAAAAACiU/OPpzFELCrjo/s640/blogger-image--883115603.jpg Image 2: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ee8aM1rXgAc/UUzkFPXWWsI/AAAAAAAACi8/IyKs85xhje8/s640/blogger-image--827626934.jpg Image 3: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uTgVNRDGz1E/UUzkJnuJj9I/AAAAAAAACjE/-r0zPbagR-0/s320/blogger-image-1837621577.jpg Image 4: http://instagram.com/p/XLEJjAyV-g/

Images 1,2 and 3 all came from here: http://estella-maris.blogspot.com/ the woman who did Chris's makeup for the shoot.

I figured all of this was enough to assume he's official but I understand if it's not "concrete" enough.

InfamousWhorror (talk) 22:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Genre
They're more genres than just metalcore and heavy metal. They're also Gothic Metal. I have found a source for this:

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/motionless-in-white-mn0000726201 JoeMIW (talk) 20:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Per many discussions in the past see WikiProject Albums/Sources, the AllMusic sidebar cannot be used to source genres.  STATic  message me!  21:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Their early stuff was post hardcore or emo. I can see influences from bands like From First To Last and Greeley Estates in early work such as this for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwXEJ0B5_ts Sata1991 (talk) 18:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2014
Please change:

Motionless in White is an American metal band from Scranton, Pennsylvania. Formed in 2005, the band consists of Chris Motionless (lead vocals, studio multi-instrumentalist), Ricky Horror (rhythm guitar, backing vocals, studio multi-instrumentalist), Devin "Ghost" Sola (bass), Ryan Sitkowski (lead guitar), Joshua Balz (keyboards), and Brandon "Rage" Richter (drums, percussion). The band has stated that their band name derived from the Eighteen Visions song "Motionless and White".

TO

Motionless in White is an American metal band from Scranton, Pennsylvania. Formed in 2005, the band consists of Chris Motionless (lead vocals, studio multi-instrumentalist), Ricky Horror (rhythm guitar, backing vocals, studio multi-instrumentalist), Devin "Ghost" Sola (bass), Ryan Sitkowski (lead guitar), and Joshua Balz (keyboards). The band has stated that their band name derived from the Eighteen Visions song "Motionless and White".

Because Brandon "Rage" Ritcher has left the band a month or so ago, It was announced on his official instragram.

16:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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Straight Edge?
Can we get a source on (most) of the band members being Straight Edge? Because otherwise, it's misinformation.

Ty163 (talk) 23:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Removal of Demo
I have removed information regarding the self-titled demo, please see here for why. 18:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

When Love Met Destruction: EP only
I have searched and searched yet I have found no interview or article regarding this EP to have been originally planned as a full length album. Due to this, I will be removing this information as there are only references to the EP, not its rumoured Album. 13:35, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Post hardcore?
Would it be possible to put their early work down as post hardcore/emo?

I find their earlier work shares more elements with bands like From First to Last or Greeley Estates than metal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxIaRWqKeUo for reference. Sata1991 (talk) 23:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2014
Please add Vinny Mauro (drums) under touring members of motionless in white. It is important to note that he is not a official member of the band but only a touring member. I still feel that this is important to note on the page as Chris Motionless has said that they will not have a new drummer only touring drummers from now on.

Thejabberw0ckyx (talk) 20:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


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Vandalism/Joke Band Membership
There have been numerous edits recently (possible : WP:EW) adding and removing members form the band. Please cite any membership changes. Reverted spurious members: • Patrick Star

• Jack Skellington

• Gordon Ramsay

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2022
197.229.1.48 (talk) 13:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I would like to edit what type of metal band this is, as Motionless In White is NOT a heavy metal band, its a Gothic Metalcore band.

Its the first line of the Wikipedia of Motionless In White.

Thank You!
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2022
Metalenjoyer (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Motionless in white is a metalcore band according to https://www.metalmusicarchives.com/artist/motionless-in-white, https://www.iheart.com/artist/motionless-in-white-83712/ and https://www.themetalbuzz.com/post/the-evolution-of-motionless-in-white and also uses many metalcore elements such as electronic elements and choruses so they are not "heavy metal" they are "metalcore". Thank You
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 * i've changed it. i agree, they are more commonly known as a metalcore band --FMSky (talk) 05:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2024
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