Talk:Moto Guzzi

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 * Due to the amount of spam being added to the article, it has now been protected against editing by unregistered (IP) users. This should alleviate the problem that has been seen over the past couple of days. --Cheesy Mike 10:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation
A significant amount of material from the external site was added recently. The addition has been reverted; please do not re-add the copyrighted text. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

World Championships
The article states 14 World Championships. The List of Grand Prix motorcycle racing World Champions shows only 8 world championships. Can anyone account for the other six? It could be that they were championships on other forms of racing such as hill climbing.Orsoni 09:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that Moto Guzzi also won 6 Constructor's titles. I'm assuming that's where the other 6 titles come from. If so, it's a bit misleading. I'll edit it to be more specific.Orsoni 03:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Durability of the small engines?
"durability of the mechanical parts"??? To the best of my knowledge, at least the larger versions of the small engine have a serious reliability issue, also warping cylinder heads (planar design), drive shaft failures, it goes on and on. I do like Guzzi but words like "durability" seem to have their boot on quite another foot. The Honda VFR does exist you know.--Cancun771 17:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes and no. Particular runs of the small blocks suffer from bad valves, with the valve stems elongating and the valve head eventually tearing off (I lost a V50 head that way). There is a parts update however that fixes that, using the valves of the V50NATO, which are made of better quality steel. So, the V50III and the early four-valve V65 and V75 do have reliability issues. However, later runs of the small block are about as reliable as the big blocks. The heron head construction itself is not a source of problems.
 * What does make a difference is that the small blocks are much more sensitive to keeping the correct service intervals. The low oil capacity means that if you don't religiously check the oil level, it will run dry pretty fast. Keep to the service intervals, do regular oil checks, and they will run without problems to the 100.000 mark. After that, you're in a bit of a bind, as the bikes don't keep much value, and a complete rebuild is not worth the money unless you're an enthusiast.
 * Granted, all this means that similar displacement Japanese bikes are less of a hassle. Mvdwege (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * I replaced this image with my own. Motorrad-67 01:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

List of models
I propose moving the list of models (current section Models) out into its own article. See List of Honda motorcycles, List of Kawasaki motorcycles, etc. for examples. Brianhe 15:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Good idea. --Cheesy Mike 16:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Created List of Moto Guzzi motorcycles. Brianhe 06:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What about keeping at least the current models on this page? It seems odd that the motorcycles themselves aren't on the Moto Guzzi page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Packa (talk • contribs) 10:21, 8 November 2007
 * Good idea, I added a brief mention of each of the current models. Brianhe 15:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Boy. It still seems awkard and strange that at least the current models -- perhaps the very reason for having the article --are not on the Moto Guzzi page. Agreed the length of the "models" section was getting very long. Can we consider moving the current models back -- in their entirity? Or at least a list with links?842U 19:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

MGS-01 Corsa Engine pedigree
I removed the sentence 'A 4-valve version of the Carcano engine was created in the early 1990s and is currently used in the 1250 cc MGS-01 Corsa.'

The Carcano design is an Overhead Valve design, using pushrods to actuate the valves. The MGS-01 Corsa uses the SOHC configuration introduced in the Daytona. As such, it is more correct to refer to its engine as the evolution of the John Wittner engine that was introduced in the Daytona. About the only thing John Wittner's design shares with the Carcano engine is the crankcase.

Also, the Carcano design is most definitely 2-valve only. All 4-valve big-block Guzzi's currently on the market are based off the Wittner engine. The small-block twins with 4 valves are based on yet another design, evolved from Lino Tonti's original V50, and these too are OHV designs.

If I could remember how to insert links, I would post the links to the technical specs on the Guzzi home page. Mvdwege (talk) 21:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

GA/FA
Good work guys - might I suggest you think about putting this article forward for WP:GA and ultimately WP:FA? In the meantime, an article can never have too many references from WP:RS.... FlagSteward (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

(Too?) sweet sounding sentence
"Three themes connect the chapters in Moto Guzzi's history: the importance of racing, the importance of innovation and the ongoing struggle to leverage the company's heritage – the seminal passion for motorcycles that gave rise to the company in 1921."
 * Doesn't this sound like something from a glossy folder? - Soulkeeper (talk) 13:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I wrote that originally... I'm more versed now in NPOV and encylopedic tone. I'll change it to this:


 * Moto Guzzi's history has been shaped by the importance of racing, innovation &mdash; and a constant adaptation to the changes in the motorcycle industry since its inception 1921. 842U (talk) 14:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Moto Guzzi join in Piaggio
Moto Guzzi now is only a brand of Piaggio. Moto Guzzi join in Piaggio at september 12 2008. Source: .--Kaspo (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "only" a brand of Piaggio? Yes, it's clear that Piaggio owns Moto Guzzi, but Moto Guzzi is STILL a company that manufactures motorcycles... it just happens to be a company that is owned by Piaggio. 842U (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Moto Guzzi already was owned by Piaggio since 2004. Now Piaggio and Moto Guzzi merge together.--Kaspo (talk) 17:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Business Failure link-in
Im not a motorcycle guy but to the best of what I can find Moto Guzzi hasn't failed? Is there any information on this subject? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_business_failures links here.Woods01 (talk) 01:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the Moto Guzzi article, they went into receivershp in 1967 and were acquired by SEIMM. That's a business failure. -- Brianhe (talk) 03:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Wind Tunnel
"It is unknown to what extent the wind tunnel is used currently."

In Long Way Down they visit the Moto-Guzzi factory and say that the factory was banned from using the wind tunnel because it made the lights in the town dim. That was in 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.74.204.18 (talk) 11:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

History Section Issue
If you look at the first line of the 'History' section you will find this line, "Moto Guzzi's are stupid and if people they were smart they would ride horses instead. :-)." I have tried to edit it several times in order to deleat this pointless sentance but for some reason when I go to edit it does not show up. Can anyone help get rid of this line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.93.151.98 (talk) 13:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It was vandalized on 00:09 GMT 25 April 2012 and reverted instantly by a bot. You probably need to bypass your cache.--Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Wheel size and gyroscopic stability
An uncited claim is made that larger scooter wheels provide stability via gyroscopic forces. This doesn't square with Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics; interactions between wheel size, mass and rate of rotation are complex. The statement needs a citation or it's pure original research. — Brianhe (talk) 21:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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