Talk:Motorik/Archive 1

Etymology
Who did invent this word? It's almost ridicolous, it sounds like a british joke. Brian Wilson 12:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Brian, grow up. The word has been in common use in music journalism for many years now. Pick up a copy of anything from "NME" or "The Wire" and you will see it in print. And furthermore, people in Britain are allowed to make jokes if they so wish. The article has been given remedial attention and does not need to be deleted.--feline1 14:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Too many people are just promoting themselves and their POV here


 * This "article" is egregiously poor! --feline1 16:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Fact tag from "The word "motorik" means "motor skill" in German," because "Motorik" DOES mean "motor skill." Look it up in a German to English dictionary if you want, or ask someone who can speak the language. --McDohl 15:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

etymology
The Krautrock article calls motorik 'a mongrel word meaning, roughly, "mechanical music".' There's a footnote, but that doesn't lead to any meaningful source as to the origins of the word.

Now, I do not know who coined the term or when. Probably I still was in diapers. But as a native speaker of the german tongue, the "mongrel word" explanation seems much more credible. Like, taking the muse out of music and putting a motor in it's place. That the result means is identical to the word for "motor skill" actually distracts from the pun. However, I absolutely have no source whatsoever to back this up, hence I'll refrain from changing the article.

Furthermore, I submit the addition of a brief description as an "ever-repeating, changeless dam-dam-dam-dam" before the more technical explanation; finally, there's a sample available that might be more helpful than a thousand words: [[Media:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|Download a 30s sample]] of "Hallogallo", the lead track of Neu! (650KB, 160 kbit/s OGG-Vorbis file)

Thanks for your time. --Schnobs, 83.171.182.195 19:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Self-contradiction
Compare "The motorik rhythm pattern generally consists of three crotchet (quarter note) hits of a bass drum, followed by one crotchet hit of a snare..." to the paragraph straight after it: "In each bar, two crotchet beats are played on the bass drum followed by a snare drum hit and a bass drum hit of equal length to complete the bar." So the first paragraph says it's bass-bass-bass-snare and the second paragraph says it's bass-bass-snare-bass. Which is it? Henre (talk) 10:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * both, listen to sister ray —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Both variants seem not to be true if it is about "Autobahn". It's rhytmic structure contains bass only for first two quaters, do not contain bass at last two quaters, but contain snare at 3rd and sometimes 4th-and-a-half quater. Maybe the second variant (bass-bass-snare-bass) is true for Hallogallo, but in this case it must be considered as eights not as quaters (or as quaters in the very fast tempo) --A4 (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, Autobahn has

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Kick  x x - - x x - - Snare - - x - - - x - HiHat x x x x x x x x


 * and

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Kick  x x x x x x x x Snare  - - x - - - x - HiHat x x x x x x x x


 * But not the kick kick snare kick described in the article. --OpenFuture (talk) 16:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hallogallo also uses the second "four to the floor" kick. So does most other songs I can find that is said to use it. --OpenFuture (talk) 14:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Somehow, because no one can seem to agree on the best way to describe it, the page has ended up with no description of what the beat actually sounds like, aural or textual. this should be changed, as the page is now essentially useless to anyone that doesn't have access to the two examples listed. at the very least, someone with more knowhow should add a list of songs that use the beat. Best case would be someone with more knowhow could upload staff notation of the beat and perhaps their own creative commons sample of it. somewhere in between would be adding back a textual notation on how the beat might sound. i refrain from doing any of this myself due to a lack of knowledge on the subject and not knowing what might seem most reasonable.Jtgotsjets (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC) dfgdfg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.57.16.122 (talk) 15:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

An old classical term
Motoric is an old term used in classical music, particularly in the works of Hindemith and other composers from the beginning of the 20th century. IT was certainly not invented by journalists. It means "motorism", which consists in percussive and obsessive rhythms that were supposed to imitate the new sounds of the newly industrialized world. The term was only recycled to apply to a similar aesthetic in the context of popular music. Hope this helps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.57.16.122 (talk) 15:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've also seen the term applied to the music of minimalist composers, e.g. Terry Riley. My dictionary describes it as: "a 20th-century term for rhythm based on one specific note value (quavers, for example), usually in order to sustain or generate energy. Ostinatos (repeating melodic or rhythmic figures) often form motoric rhythms, as in Igor Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring (1913)". So the rock-journalistic input was presumably to merely alter the spelling, giving the word a kind of mid-European/Germanic appearance that would enable its use as a jargon-word when discussing German-origin rock bands (as opposed to other music with relentless rhythm patterns).Ricadus (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, in German, "Motorik" is also a commin scientific term (biology) which can be translated as "motor activity" or "motor skills" (as in "Feinmotorik" - "fine motor skills")... -- megA (talk) 14:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * From the article: The word "Motorik" means "motor skill" in German.--OpenFuture (talk) 14:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Sound file needed
A sound file that demonstrates what this sounds like would be helpful for those who do not know Krautrock or cannot read notation.  freshacconci  talk talk  12:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I would like a list of songs that has been described at "Motorik" to verify, then I could easily make a sound file with just drums as an example and put up here. --OpenFuture (talk) 21:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, the drum line from Can's "Moonshake" is an absolutely archetypal example of the Motorik beat (e.g. the very first sounds in this Youtube video of the song. And it's a good song too. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:14, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Good, that supports my understanding. I'll try to find a source for that. I can also make a non-copyright soundfile to upload, but maybe not the nearest couple of weeks. --OpenFuture (talk) 09:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

In general this kind of thing is hard to source. The Independent's obituary of Dinger mentions the "motorik beat" throughout (Brian Eno calls it "Klaus Dinger's Neu! beat"), but never explains exactly what it sounded like. You'd need something like a newspaper article that says "X is a superb example of a motorik beat", and a sample of X, which would be a copyright nightmare. If you recorded your own interpretation of e.g. "Moonshake" or any of the records in this thread, a non-enthusiast couldn't be sure that you'd got it right. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

On a tangent, what the hell is this? Motorik (music Journalists), a 104-page book that seems to consist of this article (presumably one word per page). -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it also contains the articles that this article links to. :) It's a scam, anyway, a company printing Wikipedia articles in book form and charging stupid amounts of money for it. Well known annoyance. --OpenFuture (talk) 22:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

It's cool that there's a file now, but midi is hardly an ideal format for the web. If someone could render the current file and upload that it would be awesome. 82.20.88.133 (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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