Talk:Mouflon

"Trivia" section
I've just edited the article, and moved references to Cyprus Airways' symbol and the Cyprus Euro coins into a "Trivia" section. This seemed more appropriate to me than "Internal" and "External links", although trivia isn't appropriate for this article; does someone else have a better title? PaladinWhite 16:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Weights
The weights for the animals given in the article seem to be pretty unreasonable. The males weight as much as a small horse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.211.50 (talk) 19:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Cloning
I removed the section on "cloning" as this is much better discussed under "subspecies". Also added the 2001 Nature Biotechnology article describing the experiment to the refs.Rwintle (talk) 16:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How does the topic of cloning fit better under "subspecies"? The two subjects aren't related together at all in the article. Also, why is there no information on the Nominate subspecies, Ovis o. orientalis? BronxZooFan (talk) 23:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I moved it to Reproduction.  Pelagic (talk) 15:45, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Error in information
This article begins with the sentence "The mouflon (Ovis aries orientalis[1] group) is a subspecies group of the wild sheep Ovis aries." That is not a true statement because wild sheep are not necessarily Ovis aries. O. aries usually refers to domestic sheep. See the Wikipage on Sheep. I recommend you rephrase this sentence to correct the inaccuracy.

Carol Elkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celkins (talk • contribs) 14:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Introduction
So it is claimed that they were "introduced" to various islands, 7000 years ago. How is this actually known ? They could have been endemic there since the ice age. Who were these people 7000 years ago who were allegedly introducing wild species from one area to another area 1000's of kilometres away ?Eregli bob (talk) 11:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

At least in the case of Hawaii -- and likely with any other island group that's more than a few miles from other land masses -- sheep and other ungulates can't get there without human assistance, since they'd need to swim several thousand miles to arrive. Their introduction in Hawaii by humans is well documented.Daniel Lewis, Ph.D. 20:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilokid (talk • contribs)

Kerguelen
Since 2012, there are no longer mouflon on Kerguelen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.95.153.91 (talk) 19:12, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Other historical mentions
These are probably not significant enough to go in the article, but I'll list them here in case somebody can glean some usable content from them. Pelagic (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Belon's Observations describes the mouflon as tragelaphus (lit. 'goat-deer', the term is now used for an unrelated genus of antelopes.) – p. 121, 1558 edition, Google Books, p. 55, 1553 edition, BNF Gallica, with an illustration on the following page.
 * Gesner describes mouflon at p. 774 in Historiae animalium liber primus de quadrupedibus (1602), though Gmelin cites p. 934. Gesner writes that the musimon is a sheep of forests and of Crete: "De musimone ... ouis sylvestris est, & ouibus Creticis".  I don't know Latin, so the rest is fairly opaque to me.
 * Pliny, Buffon, and Pallas are already in the External Links.


 * Buffon writes On verra que cette courte description que Belon donne de son "tragelaphus", s'accorde pour tous les charactères essentiales avec celles que nous donnon ici du mouflon. Google Translate gives this as "It will be seen that this short description which Belon gives of his 'tragelaphus', agrees for all the essential characters with those given here for the mouflon." This is probably the basis for Gmelin and later compilers to include tragelaphus Belon as a synonym.  Pelagic (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * In a lengthy footnote, Buffon includes a French translation of Gmelin's description of the Argali or Stepnie-barani. (This would refer to the Riese durch Sibirien of J.G.Gmel., rather than the Reise durch Russland of S. G. Gmelin. J. F. Gmelin cites "I. G. Gmelin it. sibir. I. p. 368." for the name Stepnie Barannie, but I can't find any mention at that page.) The quote ends:
 * "Would it not be better to regard this animal as forming a particular class, and to acknowledge it as the musimon of the ancients? In fact, it resembles singularly the description given by Pliny, and still better the learned Gesner."
 * "This passage is taken from the Russian version, printed in Petersburg in 1755, in two volumes in-quarto, of the relation of a journey by land to Kamtschatka, by Messers Muller, de la Croiere & Gmelin, The French translation of this work, the original of which is in German, has been communicated to me by M. de l'Isle of the Academie of Sciences, and it is desirable to give it to the public soon; this relation, which is curious by itself, is at the same time written by a man of good sense, and very versed in Natural History."
 * Pelagic (talk) 11:54, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

iran is the richest in muflon
In iran they are six speciaes of this animal.which makes iran the richest regarding this animal.whuch ate abound in north.north west.nirth east.central.south .sout east.sout west of the country.so how you mentioned only northwest of iran ? Bahmanrajabiun (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Ancestor of all domestic sheep?
The intro states that the mouflon is the ancestor of all domestic sheep. 2 references are given; ref. #3 states that the "data supports the hypothesis that some modern domestic sheep and European mouflon derive from a common ancestor and provide evidence of an additional wild ancestor, other than the urial and argali groups, which has yet to be identified." This is an error that should be corrected.Mwinog2777 (talk) 05:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)