Talk:Mount Carmel, Illinois

Founding date
hey everyone i need info about when the city was founded
 * Only took 5 years - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Carmel,_Illinois&diff=350989594&oldid=350491352 MrZaius  talk  15:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Bedroom Community?
The city is mentioned in List of bedroom communities. Shouldn't it be given more importance in the article?


 * I'm a little surprised that anyone listed it as a 'bedroom community'. I'm removing it until someone gets numbers.  What percent of people in Mount Carmel do commute, and are they overwhelmingly bound to a single place?  I'd think it'd be less than half, and skewed badly by the Gibson Generating station.

As a further note, if you do find numbers that suggest that Mount Carmel meets the definition provided for 'bedroom community' (the majority of workers commuting), please do two things:

1: Try and control for employment at the power plant and Keensburg. They are right outside of town, and their influence in a decision to relist Mount Carmel as a 'bedroom community' is unwarranted. Please only relist it if a majority of locals commuting to Albion, Lawrenceville, Evansville, and Princeton/Fort Branch (again, with controls to prevent Gibson Generating Station from skewing the numbers).

2: Rather than putting Mount Carmel back on the list in the Bedroom community article, consider breaking the list up and setting up a category. See Categories for help & Category:Ghost_towns_in_the_United_States for an example/template. It's pretty easy to do.

MrZaius talk  14:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Mt. Carmel's people mostly must commute to work, I believe. There used to be some heavy industry from Snap-On Tools, but they shut down several years ago. Many commute to haubsadt, where thiere is a Toyota plant, or to Princeton, where there is other heavy industry, some of which supports Toyota. The coal mine only supports a couple hundred workers, and many of them do not live in Mt. Carmel. My uncle works there, and I have been fortunate enought to tour the mine - great coolness!

As for PSI (the gibson generating station), while it does employ some people from MtC, I believe that it really doesn't support a whole lot of labor - I could be wrong, though. I recall getting a tour of that plant (friends who work there, too), and I don't recall seeing a lot of people during the tour. In the whole plant, again, I saw only maybe 50 or 60 people besides ourselves - it is highly automated.

My mom & dad used to commute daily to Evansville, but they have since moved there. Much of my living family still lives in MtC, tho.

Some more info - when I was a kid, the population had reached about 12,000. This was during the oil boom of the late 70's, during the OPEEC oil embargo. Much exploration was done, and somemillionaires were made. When OPEC "turned the valves back open," that really devastated the economy.

Until relatively recently, the city's policies have kept out larger businesses such as Wal Mart. However, those elected officials have been removed from office, and thing sound as if they are changing.

New news from my trip back there last week - Grayville, IL (about 25 mi S on rte 1) is opening an ethanol plant, and perhaps also a new supermax prison. There has also been a new cola mine open up towards friendsville, as I understand it, and there is talk of putting in new roads & railheads to keep the traffic out of the middle of town.

Feel free to surf my latest vacation write-up (on MtC) here

-Tom Burke


 * As regards the prison in Grayville, Governor Blagoyevich (sp?) pulled the funding very early on in the development process, and effecively killed both it and the businesses of several local contractors. If the ethanol plant goes through, there's a good chance it'll use the same land that the state tore up for the prison site.  As regards relisting Mt. Carmel as a bedroom community, I still don't think it appropriate without some statistics to back it up.  My folks commute to Moscow, Russia, I commute to Evansville, and I know a fair number of others that do as well, but it's still subjective.  The easiest way to find the stats, if someone else cares enough to look into it, would be to subtract the number of employed people in Mt. Carmel from the working population of Mount Carmel.  (note: Of course, we can't use [100-unemployment%]*population - something like a quarter of the population of the town wouldn't be measuered in the employment stats)  Facts_precede_opinions  MrZaius  talk  14:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Update Tag
I am not sure if the coal mine has officially closed yet, and a I was not able to find any news stories pointing either way. Southern Illinois SKYWARN 18:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Coal mine has officially closed. Southern Illinois SKYWARN 14:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Bridge Citation
The Daily Republican has published articles about a new bridge, and the bridge is in the final stages of planning. (I.E. land has been bought, all public meetings have been held) However, I was not sure of a date that the paper publised an article about the bridge, so I was only able to cite the Register. Southern Illinois SKYWARN 18:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC) 14:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Tags on Employment Section
I believe all operations at the coal mine have shut down except for administration, but since I was not 100% sure, I tagged the article rather than editing it. I tagged it in hope that someone else would know if the coal mine has completely shut down. The tag has nothing to do with employment numbers. Southern Illinois SKYWARN 18:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC) 14:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Coal mine has officially closed. Southern Illinois SKYWARN 14:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Gas Leak
I was wondering if I should add a section about the gas leak in Mt. Carmel on June 6. It warrented a mandatory evacuation for parts of the city and required the closing of many roads including S.R. 15 and S.R. 1. I will not add until someone confirms that this meets criteria for being placed on Wikipedia. Southern Illinois SKYWARN 18:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone find a reference
I noticed an anon added info on Theodore S. Bowers in the notable residents section. I have also heard this story, but I can not find a reference anywhere. Could anyone else find a reference? Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 01:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I added some information on Bowers with references a few months ago and someone deleted it. I'm not adding it again. TJW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.67.124.13 (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I just looked it up to seen when it was removed. It was removed during a clean up of the notable residents section based on Bowers being non-notable, which based just off of a quick Google search, I'm not quite sure if he was notable enough to be mentioned myself to tell you the truth.   Southern Illinois SKYWARN Got something to say? 02:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Nancy Dussault is more notable than T.S. Bowers?

Work history correction
Correction to your work history. It is the Illinois Basin. It has produced 4.5 billion barrel of oil and 4 trillion cubic feet of gas. Potential reserves for the Illinois Basin are 4 billion barrels of oil. (Information found on the Illinois State Geologic Survey) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.92.10 (talk) 19:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement about size of Coal Generating Plant doesn't make sense
The article states that the coal generating plant is the 3rd largest in the world, and the 9th largest in the United States. That means there are 8 plants in the US that are larger. So how can it be the 3rd largest in the world? Eelb53 (talk) 07:37, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Statement about the schools
South School was shut down a few years ago and replaced with a church. The Grades were K-12 were split up between the remaing schools. Also North name was also changed as well its no longer North Middle School but North Intermediate Center of Education or NICE Jawsisra84 (talk) 06:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Mount Carmel, Illinois. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060723090306/http://www.gibsoncountyin.org/attractions.htm to http://www.gibsoncountyin.org/attractions.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070928202238/http://www.museum.wabash.il.us/stories/Bridge/main.htm to http://www.museum.wabash.il.us/stories/Bridge/main.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070926222301/http://netservices.indot.in.gov/lettings/SearchResults.aspx to http://netservices.indot.in.gov/lettings/SearchResults.aspx
 * Added archive https://archive.is/20160602200744/http://www.census.gov/popest/data/cities/totals/2015/SUB-EST2015.html to http://www.census.gov/popest/data/cities/totals/2015/SUB-EST2015.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 20:50, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified (February 2018)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Mount Carmel, Illinois. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131021190632/http://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/data/docs/gazetteer/2010_place_list_17.txt to https://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/data/docs/gazetteer/2010_place_list_17.txt

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 17:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC)