Talk:Mount Elbrus/Archive 1

GPS Data
Our data from last year august (garmin etrex summit - GPS)

Latitude:||43&deg; 21&prime; 09.1&Prime;

Longitude:||42&deg; 26&prime; 16.3&Prime;

Liso 14:21, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Meaning of the name
The German Wikipedia states that Elbrus comes from a Georgian word meaning "conic peak". Here it is written "twin peaks". Which is right? Or both are points of view? R.Del Re 01 Nov 2005

Geological Process
I am moving the last paragraph "The Caucasus Mountains are the result...." becuase it would fit better in the article for the Caucasus_Mountains, that is lacking in geological information. ChristopherM 18 Nov 2005 locals dont call the mountain mt elbrus, but Mingi Tav which translated from karachay malkar to english means thousand mountains since its so large.

About first ascend of the lowest peak
All russian sources say, that East peak was ascended by Khilar Hachirov, a member of russian military expedition in 1829.

Etymology
Load of un supported claimes in etymology section, trying to find Iranian root for anything at all. Self gratification with no limits. Mehrdad 17:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

On the Border
I thought it was in Georgia! IloveTrains (talk) 06:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Distance between summits
Someone who can should add the correct distance between the two summits. It's difficult to measure from google maps, because it's impossible to see where EXACTLY the highest tips are. GMRE (talk) 18:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the indigenous peoples' names for Mount Elbrus
A few hours ago I added the Kabardian/Circassian name for Mount Elbrus along with its IPA alongside the Russian and Karachay-Balkar one, I also added the name in the etymology section under "other names" with its meaning. Apparently all of my edits have been removed by Materialscientist, claiming "rvt unsourced addition". Can anyone explain what it is that I have done wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qabarday (talk • contribs) 22:18, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * All content needs to be supported by WP:reliable sources and you did add content without providing references. What reliable source is available to support the Circassian name you added? Also, the lead section already is cluttered with language/pronunciation bits and needs pruning rather than increasing the clutter. That is my take on it, but I'm not answering for user:Materialscientist. Vsmith (talk) 23:05, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

height
This is mount Elbus. Mount Elbus is one of the biggest mountains in Europe. Mount Elbrus is also the highest point in the Caucasus mountains, a range of almost 1,000 miles long. The mountain resides in Russian republics of Karachay-Cherkess and Kabardin-Balkar.Mt. Elbrus height is just up Mt. Elbrus height is just up At 18,506' tenth globally? in what sense? many many higher peaks, hundreds in himalayas alone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.248.201.136 (talk) 10:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Many sources agree that Elbrus...?
It says in the article that, "...many sources agree that Elbrus is also the highest mountain in all of Europe" but if that is true, then it is also true that many sources agree that Mont Blanc is the highest mountain in "all of" Europe.

Indeed, that is what I understood for most of my life (until reading this article in fact). I have no doubt that the further east one travels in Europe, the further east the locals will believe the eastern border of Europe to be, but it is difficult to believe that the majority of people in Europe accepted Elbrus as the highest European mountain for all these years. In all the books I have read and people I have spoken to, the films I have watched, the documentaries I have seen not one of them made that claim. Suddenly, multiple articles in Wikipedia do claim that.

I think you need cast iron citations or you need to balance the article with the counter claim in a clear and obvious way. Just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 12:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The National Geographic Atlas, 2014, 10th edition, p. 57, Webster's Geographic Dictionary, the CIA World Factbook, and most other reliable sources make it quite clear that Elbrus is in Europe by defining the crest of the Caucasus Mtns. as the Europe-Asia divide. DLinth (talk) 20:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Parent Peak
How can the Mount Everest be the parent peak of the Elbrus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.75.131.6 (talk) 15:17, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Not in Europe
The Elbrus vs Blanc in an old chestnut of a debate, but irrespective of historical conventions most sources show The Caucasous mountains are by general agreement now wholly assigned to Asia Dainamo 11:04, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * What sources and which general agreement, please? 141.83.15.154 13:11, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Mostly every textbook since Philip Johan von Strahlenberg. --Bachforelle (talk) 13:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe in Germany, but not e.g. in Finland. To me the border has always been told to be the watershed of Greater Caucasia, which would place northern Georgia in Europe. --Jhattara (Talk · Contrib) 08:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You should not change Wikipedia articles because of hearsay. Read a textbook. --Bachforelle (talk) 13:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Read a textbook from where? Russia? Germany? Finland? USA? Which is the one correct textbook? I've read textbooks that state Mt.Elbrus as the highest mountain in Europe. --Jhattara (Talk · Contrib) 09:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have made the claim contigent on the border definition, with a link to Borders_of_the_continents.

88.77.153.201 (talk) 03:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In my opinion this is clearly Europe's highest mountain. Sources support this in the UK and Italy but other sources differ.  Plenty of people believe that it's not Europe's highest peak and there are equally plenty of sources to back up that argument too.  The article should therefore make clear that there is some dispute as to what is Europe and what's not.--Xania [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]]talk 23:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Since the "disputed" area is entirely in the former Soviet Union and the two main versions mentioned here lead through the Russia (or on its border), I think the Russian version should be essential. And, as shown on Borders_of_the_continents, the border leads through the Kuma–Manych Depression, way north of Caucasus. This is accepted by IGU and fully coresponds to what we learned in the elementary school in Czechoslovakia :-).VelkyKorys (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also the Encyclopaedia Britannica agrees that Elbrus is NOT in Europe. See its physical map or [its political map] or this article, where Kuma-Manych Depression is regarded as the natural boundary between Europe and Asia. --Mino71 (talk) 10:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The National Geographic Atlas, 2014, 10th edition, p. 57, Webster's Geographic Dictionary, the CIA World Factbook, and most other reliable sources make it quite clear that Elbrus is in Europe by defining the crest of the Caucasus Mtns. as the Europe-Asia divide.DLinth (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Uhm, so what? There are plenty of other sources who will claim otherwise. The fact is for a long time now Mont-Blanc has been considered the highest peak in Europe, as Europe is commonly understood by the majority of its inhabitants for the longest period of time. Suddenly including a bunch of peaks in the Caucasus (!) as being part of Europe just looks like arbitrary mish-mash no doubt promoted by Georgians (or Russians) who somehow wish to see themselves as part of Europe for political, cultural, religious, or national pride reasons, all of which have nothing to do with geographic reality and the reality of common convention. Europe never has and never will include Georgia, sorry guys. Get over it an be proud of your country for its own reasons, not because of what larger group it may belong to. The Soviet days are over, embrace your freedom as an individual nation standing on its own. Believe me, many Europeans envy you now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.41.180.63 (talk) 19:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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