Talk:Mount Scopus

"Israel's official boundary of Jerusalem"
Isn't there a more accurate and diplomatic way to say this? This implies that the borders of Jerusalem which Israel claims are internationally agreed upon. Perhaps something like "The official borders of Jerusalem as claimed by the Israeli government"? --Zachbe 20:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Term: "Neighbourhood"
Why are illegal settlements (e.g. French Hill) called "neighbourhood"? Ist this israeli newspeak? Greetings, Extern Reader —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.94.120.195 (talk) 14:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Desecration
No ref to desecratation. Convoy irrelevant to Mount Scopus.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Ref article XIII
After the ceasefire agreement of November 30, 1948, which established the division of East and West Jerusalem, Israel was alloted control of the western part of the city while Jordan controlled the east. Several demilitarized "no man's land" zones were established along the border, one of them Mount Scopus. [1]

Under the armistice agreement signed by Israel and Jordan in April 1949,[2] the Jordanians pledged resumption of "the normal functioning of the cultural and humanitarian institutions on Mount Scopus and free access thereto; free access to the Holy Places and cultural institutions and use of the cemetery on the Mount of Olives; resumption of operation of the Latrun pumping station; provision of electricity for the Old City; and resumption of operation of the railroad to Jerusalem." [3]

One very small problem, the armistice agreement only has 12 articles. Article XIII doesn't in fact exist. Mount Scopus was covered by the Local area commanders agreement. Previously signed in July 1948.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * How clever of you. That is a typo. It should have read VIII, which states the following:. The Special Committee shall be organized immediately following the coming into effect of this Agreement and shall direct its attention to the formulation of agreed plans and arrangements for such matters as either Party may submit to it, which, in any case, shall include the following, on which agreement in principle already exists: free movement of traffic on vital roads, including the Bethlehem and Latrun-Jerusalem roads; resumption of the normal functioning of the cultural and humanitarian institutions on Mount Scopus and free access thereto; free access to the Holy Places and cultural institutions and use of the cemetery on the Mount of Olives; resumption of operation of the Latrun pumping station; provision of electricity for the Old City; and resumption of operation of the railroad to Jerusalem. --Gilabrand (talk) 03:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

3. The Special Committee shall have exclusive competence over such matters as may be referred to it. Agreed plans and arrangements formulated by it may provide for the exercise of supervisory functions by the Mixed Armistice Commission established in article XI.--User Don't know--

Mid east web got it wrong.

Mount Scopus was regulated by the July 1948 Local area commanders agreement. as the two maps never got sorted out there was a stale mate. Ref Shabily House and Solomon gardens. Intransigence caused an impasse. Which you do not note. All you're doing is relying on a passage of a document that was not applicable. I direct your attention to the phrase....shall direct its attention to the formulation That is not a pledge to

free movement of traffic on vital roads, including the Bethlehem and Latrun-Jerusalem roads; resumption of the normal functioning of the cultural and humanitarian institutions on Mount Scopus and free access thereto

That phrase means to have a look at accomplishing the above....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Armistice
shouldn't all the armistice material come after the Landmarks?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Crusader Camp
As the crusaders attacked Jerusalem from the east it seems dubious to have a camp on the west....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I notice that in addition to comments on the talk page, you are putting questions/comments in the text, but "commented out" so they don't actually appear. I don't know if there is a policy on this, but I think you should just make the comments on the talk page.  The commented-out comments clutter up the source text and make it more difficult to edit the article, and are only going to be seen by a relatively small number of editors.  Your latest comment seems to be "addressed" to the person who added the sentence in question, who, for all we know, may no longer even be editing Wikipedia.  (I did not go back in the history to see who wrote it.)  6SJ7 (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed has been up for a while, I'm trying to see if anyone has a reference....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Jewish Property
Under the terms of the Mount scopus agreement the Jewish property on Mount Scopus was allowed to be patrolled by Israeli police to protect Jewish property. There was no Israeli sovereignty on Mount Scopus.

If Mount Scopus is not in Israel, than nothing is.
There are parts of Jerusalem that are not recognized by the western world as Israel's. However, MS is not among them. Unlike the French Hill, not recognizing MS as a part of Israel means not recognizing Israel at allEddau (talk) 21:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's true that Mount Scopus isn't part of East Jerusalem, but even West Jerusalem isn't recognized as part of Israel. This is why the international community didn't accept West Jerusalem as Israel's capital before the 1967 war. --Dailycare (talk) 09:33, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Jerusalem is the CAPITAL OF JEWISH PEOPLE more than 3,000 years. i'm sorry you need to learn history. פארוק (talk) 22:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Mount Scopus is in the East but it is NOT a part of East Jerusalem.
 * West Jerusalem isn't recognized as THE CAPITAL of Israel but it IS recognized as part of Israel.
 * Put the word "Israel" back in the article. 10:59, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * there is no such country called "PALESTINE". becouse it is a ROMAN NAME. and Mount Scopus will never be an arab land. Like that London will never be sold for Saudi Arabia. פארוק (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I appreciate that you personally feel strongly about the issue. However, since you're proposing to change the article, the burden of proving that reliable sources say that West Jerusalem is part of Israel, and that there is no significant controversy about that, is on you. Here is a recent Reuters piece that says that the United States doesn't recognize Jerusalem to be Israeli. You can see Positions on Jerusalem and the sources there for more information. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * When did the United States recognizes East Jerusalem is the capital of another country ? .................. Since Obama selected . פארוק (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The United States hasn't recognized East Jerusalem, or West Jerusalem, to be the capital of any country, or even a part of any country. --Dailycare (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

so UNITED STATE not returning the lands of MEXICO and the AMERICAN INDIAN NATIVES ....such like that. By the way, the Hebrew University + the FIRST NATIONAL LIBRARY OF JEWISH PEOPLE is in Mount Scopus פארוק (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * So, all your primitive bolding and talking and CAPITALS done: it is in East Jerusalem. -DePiep (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Confusing para
The paragraph starting "Two Jewish-owned plots..." mentions two years in the 1930s but mostly concerns events in the 1950s. Can someone please clean it up a bit? Zerotalk 02:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Machine translations
Subsections following Landmark were pasted directly from a machine translator (Google translate perhaps?) and therefore, parts of it are incoherent.Ineuw talk page on English Wikisource 19:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

British War Cemetery - Relevant?
I have tidied up the grammar in the section on Jerusalem British War Cemetery, with citations to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website, but I question if it is directly relevant to this article on Mount Scopus. The CWGC describe it as being on a neck of land on the Mount of Olives and west of Mount Scopus. (Have not visited Israel so do not have firsthand experience of its visual proximity.)Cloptonson (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Border between Scopus and Olivet - who knows the definition?
If Tzurim Valley is the border, then the Mormon U. and Beit Orot are on the Olivet side, no matter what Haaretz writes or the Mormon U. website claims. So, who has the definition? ArmindenArminden (talk) 02:24, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Jabal as-Suwwanah, really?
I see on this map (p. 20, "Emek Tzurim Nat'l Park") that the village/n'hood of as-Suwwanah is in the Tzukim Valley and mostly SOUTH of it. Again (see above), IF the Tzukim Valley is the boundary betw. Scopus and Olivet, then the VILLAGE is mainly on Mt Olivet -- but the HILL of the same name is Mt Scopus? Not impossible, names are not a logical, precise science, but somewhat unlikely. Who KNOWS some answer w/o guessing? Thanks, ArmindenArminden (talk) 10:42, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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Polite request to other readers of this article: It anyone knows of a good map showing the location of Mount Scopus and the area it covers, in relation to Jerusalem, it would be a helpful addition to this article. Anthya1117 (talk) 07:31, 23 November 2021 (UTC)