Talk:Moustache

Poe and Armstrong
I think it is unnecessary to have a picture of Edger Allen Poe to show a moustache but also a picture of Louis Armstrong so that we can compare and the viewer will immediately spot the moustache. RP Hoogle 11:18, 02 Mar 2008 (GMT)

No, really. It's comical. I can't go on the horse and post a picture of Tiger Woods and say that he isn't a horse. Why is that picture of Louis Armstrong on there? Nanu Ra (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

One must also consider the naive people who visit the site. A comparison allows said people to differentiate between those with Moustaches and those without. Although, it is fair to say that anyone would notice the abundance of hair on one's top lip. it might be best to put such a comparison on the 'Simple English' Wikipedia.

88.97.246.0 (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture?
Can we get a picture of an 'un-typical mostache'? Something like Dali? Mark Richards 21:18, 18 May 2004 (UTC)


 * I definitely agree. This one is not very well-developed, and to whit, it appears on the Facial hair page, too. Let's get a picture that shows a PROUD moustache! Or at least a famous man, one of the ones who is listed, perhaps, who everyone would recognize by his moustache. Nietzsche, for example, is a man who would be recognized simply by a photo of his distinctive and unique moustache. [[User:Whiskers|whiskers (talk)]] 23:58, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * [[Image:SirClaudeMacdonald.jpg|thumb|right|]]
 * How about this photo of Sir Claude Maxwell MacDonald as an 'un-typical' moustache? -- Infrogmation 16:04, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Competitions?
Do "moustache growing competitions" belong in a dictionary? BryanD 20:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
The paragraph on "The moustache in male adolescence" contradicts itself:

"There is a definite order in which facial hairs appear on the face during puberty"

"As with most human biological processes, this specific order may vary among individuals."

Oddity- 06:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well yeah, thees an order, but it varys by person. 96.242.34.228 (talk) 20:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Women and Facial Hair
A mention of women and facial hair is made on Facial hair and links directing interested readers direct them to the appropriate page, Bearded woman. Also, I have added appropriate links under 'See also' on Beard and Moustache. Before I created page and moved the relevant information that had previously been here, the link 'Bearded woman' automatically redirected to Hirsutism. This is not fair, as what is commonly believed to be a beard on a woman is not a beard at all, but simply dark body hair. This new page allows us to discuss the subject sensitively and scientifically, before sending the reader off on a journey into disease and disorder.

The famed bearded women of the circus sideshows were usually fakes. In a few rare cases, it is a case of Hirsutism or an even rarer genetic disorder, for which a page does not yet exist (but links on Bearded woman and Hirsutism do, should anyone care to research the topic). This is not an attempt at segregation. Here we are not talking of female authors, where it makes little sense to segregate them and their works, but of curiosities and medical disorders specific to women. There are men with breasts, too (gynecomastia), but we would surely not talk about them on a page devoted to mothers and infant feeding, or to buxom blondes on the silver screen.

Furthermore, to have a natural male feature discussed in the same breath as hormonal imbalances and sideshow freaks is a gross disrespect to manhood. This furthers the distaste for things male and manly that has crept into modern society. It is often the case today that one does not refer to men as men, but as people. To be a man has become something androgynous and sexless, as if it were something freakish to be diluted, hidden and ashamed of. These pages, Beard, Moustache, Goatee, Sideburns etc ought to be done in honour of men and manhood. It is a subject of male pride.

[[User:Whiskers|whiskers (talk)]] 06:35, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with the above. Invmog (talk) 01:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Too many images
Argh, I dislike the change from two images to 7. IMO we do not need to duplicate photos of every prominent man with a moustache here (we have a list of linked names people can click to find out what they look like). This is looking too cluttered. -- Infrogmation 00:49, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Agreed. A gallery on the commons of people with moustaches would be a better idea. Fredrik | talk 19:47, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I have moved them to a seperate page Pictures of famous men with moustaches. -- Infrogmation 21:04, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

For the list of men known for their moustaches, should Cesar Romero be included? His 'stache isn't all that distinctive, but anyone who watched the old Batman series and wondered why Joker had a moustache underneath his makeup knows that this was a man who truly loved his moustache. Also, Mario should be in there.

I would be nice though to have one image of each one of the styles mentioned. SaintCahier 05:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Handlebar
"Handlebar - bushy, with small upward pointing ends. See baseball pitcher Rollie Fingers. Also known as a "spaghetti moustache", because of its stereotypical association with Italian men."

we should put in about how its associated with pilots and officers (in the british army until the 50s officers were required to get a moustache) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.160.17 (talk) 09:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it was only until 1916. Binabik80 (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Women and Facial Hair - Frida Kahlo
The feminist artist Frida Kahlo deliberately wore a moustache which grew naturally. I believe this article should make some acknowledgement of this notable historical fact. Lumos3 16:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Interesting. This would be notable, but I can't find proof of it.  I researched a bit and can't find any photographs of her with anything I'd call a moustache.  Here are photos I'm able to find
 * http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~kmcdonne/kahlo/fridakahlo.htm
 * http://www.american-buddha.com/afridafest18.jpg
 * http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1216/978/1600/350-frida-red-scarf-pend.jpg
 * http://www.fantasyarts.net/Kahlo/frida_kahlo.jpg
 * http://www.photographywest.com/media/images/cunningham/frida%20kahlo.jpg
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frida_Kahlo_Diego_Rivera_1932.jpg
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Block_Kahlo_Rivera_1932.jpg
 * http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~kmcdonne/Frida%20Kahlo/fridakahlo_files/image002.jpg
 * Her upper lip hair depicted in paintings seems quite exagerrated compared to any "reality" I can find. Maybe there was a period of time when she had a moustache that someone can share a photograph of. --Ds13 04:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a good picture of Kahlo's mustache:
 * http://media.photobucket.com/image/Frida%20Kahlo%20moustache/cmoniquew/frida_kahlo.jpg
 * Compare with a portrait such as this:
 * http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/36/93336-004-24D196CE.jpg
 * It seems that her actual mustache was about as full as some of her depictions of it. --69.86.65.66 (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fictional moustaches
Could there be a list of famous fictional moustaches - is there anyone apart from Hercule Poirot?

I read somewhere recently that there is no Latin word for moustaches (ie classical Latin rather than the Vatican version, which has words for modern use). Is this true?

Jackiespeel 17:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * There are two that I know of; mystax and subium, although I don't know whether they are Classical or Vatican. --BiT 23:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Development
that section about how facial hair grows in, i've noticed that that is very -often- the case, but not -always- .. for example, my moustache grew in on the lip part -before- the corners of the mouth, but i've seen the opposite a lot.

Famous men known to have moustaches
This list is becoming too long and unwieldy. I suggest it is grouped by occupation, Military , politicians, performers etc and then possibly split to an associated article. Lumos3 08:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The whole list seems a bit pointless to me. So many men in history have had moustaches that the list is effectively endless. I think we should only list men particularly famous for their moustaches, not just men who had/have them. -- Necrothesp 22:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

The list is great, and also very funny. I advise either to keep it or transform it into a separate article. I also added Jeff 'Skunk' Baxter to the list, because he rules. EV (IL)

I moved the list to a separate location. Please help sorting it. Fenrir2000 17:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * How about David Niven (pencil moustache)? —DIV (128.250.80.15 (talk) 04:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC))

Etymology
Anyone know the etymology of the word moustache, I feel this should be included on the page


 * I looked it up and added it. It's not a very interesting etymology. --Fastfission 23:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Loss of psuedo-plural
I've noticed in 19th century lit and contemporary works set in that time & later (e.g. Riven Rock), a man was refered to as having 'moustaches' not 'a moustache'. Any sense of why & when this changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daddylight (talk • contribs) 23:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I came here trying to find out why Hercule Poirot had 'moustaches.' Good question. MarkinBoston (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Gallery
The Mushtache style section could be turned into a gallery, if enough images were collected. Each of those links and descriptions could be turned into the image caption. You can go to Gallery to learn how to set up the gallery. Collecting public domain images of all the different mustaches might be a stumbling block, however. &mdash;thames 21:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Stalin

 * Soviet ruler Joseph Stalin was known for his bushy moustache.

LOL. Stalin had a bushy mustache. He was known for his brutal authoritarianism. --Tysto 17:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That's POV. Stop spreading dumb jokes. This is a page to improve the article, not for adding this BS. Even if Stalin was a brutal authoritarian, that's not the topic. It's about moustaches. --2.245.101.41 (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Best Mustache?
I have done alot of searching and i think that of everyone ive seen Saddam Hussein has the most impressive mustache. As a general rule Kurdish and Slavic people are able to grow the best mustaches and beards.

Anit Jindal!
It's about time that he got the credit he deserves. His chop stache or as i like to call it, his cookie duster, is one of the greatest staches in the history of staches.

Spellings
"spelt" is sometimes spelt "spelled" in the US too...

Styles section
According to Bryan Garner in Modern American Usage the standard spelling is mustache not moustache. In fact I could find no dictionary that suggest moustache. Why does this article use the nonstandard spelling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.157.248.87 (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I notice that in the section on styles, the article says of both Dali and English that "areas past the corner of the mouth must be shaved. Artificial styling aids permitted." What is the source of these definitions, and what is the context in which certain areas must be shaved and "artifical styling aids" (wax? little bits of wire? guy ropes?) are permitted or not? It's not like there's a Tache Police fining people for not styling their facial hair correctly ;-) -- AJR | Talk 23:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * oh how little do you know.. the tache police will find you.

Most of the styles seem to be ironic and somewhat humorous. Perhaps the actual, historical names for mustaches could be discovered by someone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.50.166 (talk) 00:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Famous or notable moustaches in art and fiction
This section was getting to have a very long list so I have created its own article which has allowed more illustration of the moustaches described. Lumos3 17:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * How about Zorro (pencil moustache)? —DIV (128.250.80.15 (talk) 04:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC))

Photo at head of article
I have returned the head photo to Edgar Allen Poe from the Zapata brothers.

Neither is ideal as a lead image because both are of celebrities and both focus on the man rather than the moustache. I think the Poe one is slightly better as it is closer to the face.

I suggest we need a close up of a distinctive moustache which is not worn by a celebrity and which represents a commonly worn style not an unusual one. Can anyone provide one in the GNU domain? Celebrity moustaches will always lead to dissent over the qualities of the celebrity and not the moustache itself. Lumos3 10:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm going to re-open this discussion, if possible. The image of Poe with a moustache is inaccurate; he only had a moustache for two out of his 38 years - he was actually known more for his sideburns during most of his career. Either way, I just don't think "moustache = Poe." Is there a better image? Maybe even just a close-up of someone with a moustache? Does anyone out there have one who'd be willing to take a picture of their upper lip? :) --Midnightdreary 03:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the photo at the head of the article should be someone neutral. With Stalin at the top of the article, I feel like we are promoting some sort of anti-moustache conspiracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.110.112.30 (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I realise this is probably a sore point, but could someone please change the Stalin picture at the head of the article. Its not nice for 'tache wearers to be associated instantly with one of histories worst mass murderers. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.81.81 (talk) 13:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

All taken care of; I think Doc Holliday is less politically charged than Joseph Stalin. Flag-Waving American Patriot 01:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flag-Waving American Patriot (talk • contribs)

Nice one, cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.81.81 (talk) 14:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Flag-Waving American Patriot (talk) 23:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

biological perspective
Hmm, no discussion about theories on the significance of the mustache in evolution, etc... Don't know if there are any sources for such anyway. I looked up this article hoping that it would have something on that.

Vandalism?
I'm removing both sections below, because for the first, I've found no evidence thereof anywhere else, and for the second, the text borders on racism and really isn't necessary.

The moustache were invented by Jean Moustache and his wife Tra-la-la. (from History)

Some adolescents tend to try and grow a moustache before they are fully able to. This sometimes results in a "mexi-stache", or "dirt 'stache" that appears unclean. (from The moustache in male adolescence)

Alex 18:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've also removed a reference to Michael Eccelston in the famous people section; it appears to be vandalism that has stuck for a while. I'd expect a famous moustache wearer to give at least one result on Google Images.  Mrstonky (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

lol wtf
''In some countries, it was obligatory for soldiers to grow moustaches. The British Army, for instance, forbade the shaving of the upper lip by all ranks from the 19th century until the regulation was abolished by an Army Order dated 6 October 1916.''

This amusing piece of nonsense is going to be removed unless someone provides a citation. Drutt 20:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Intro line
Current intro line read:
 * A moustache (or mustache) is facial hair usually grown on the upper lip.

"Usually" ? Is there any context in which a moustache refers to non-upper-lip hair? Can I remove that bizarre qualifier? Kane5187 17:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hitler
I'm surprised there is no mention or picture of Hitler in the article, seeing as he probably has the most famous mustache in history.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.219.161.13 (talk) 04:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, there is something about him. Check toothbrush moustache, and you'lle find it out! -The Bold Guy- 11:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Pier Gerlofs Donia
I illustrated the article with an image of Pier Gerlofs Donia (aka Grutte Pier). -The Bold Guy- 11:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Keti
The oldest portrait showing a shaved man with a mustache is a Keti, Sixth dynasty of Egypt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.34.175.196 (talk) 12:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Dali Citation
From his appearance on What's My Line, it appears that it was common knowledge that he used his mustache to paint. Go to 8:42:
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXT2E9Ccc8 --69.86.65.66 (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Too many pointless names
I have removed a few dozen musicians and sports people, plus a few other folks, who were listed as having mustaches without any particular significance attached to it. We can't list ever famous male who has had a mustache, after all! The article still needs to be tightened and de-trivia-ified, but that's a start. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 01:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Gay taches
Nothing about moustaches in gay culture from the 1970s to 1990s? (for mainstream examples, see Village People, Freddie Mercury, etc) Matthau (talk) 05:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting idea - but it would have to be more than just "a few entertainers who were openly gay in the US had mustaches for a while"; it would need some context, sourcing. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 10:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Tom of Finland, in his artistic depictions of (idealized) gay men, portrayed many of them, maybe a majority, with "horse shoe" or handlebar moustaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.80.149 (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Movember
I was watching a morning news show (GMA or TODAY... I can't recall) this week and they introduced a few men participating in "Movember" (www.movember.com). Perhaps something about what Movember does could/should be added to the moustache entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.26.153.41 (talk) 23:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hungarian, Mexican or Handlebar
There has been some confusion as to whether the moustache of Emiliano Zapata is a Mexican or Hungarian moustache. Emiliano is obviously Mexican, but I believe he is just sporting a handlebar that doesn't point very far up. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that 'Hungarian' or 'Mexican' are commonly accepted moustache styles. --Trafficone (talk) 22:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Photos
Too many pictures of famous guys wearing mustaches ... what do we do with them? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have moved some to a gallery, at the bottom, leaving the truly historical ones and Hitler (who has the most famous mustache in history, I think) along the side. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Moustache styles graphic
Interesting picture of various moustache styles, but what's with the pink and green colors? Do they have some significance? If not, can we get rid of them - they make it look very weird. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Removed Robin Olds
I'm American, I lived through the Viet Nam war, and I've never heard of him. Hitler Charlie Chaplin and Groucho Marx were famous on an international scale over decades. Which one of these does not belong? MarkinBoston (talk) 02:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

U.S. Spelling and Pronunciation
Both spellings are used in the U.S. The word may be accented on either syllable. Kostaki mou (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

"Pair of moustaches"
Any explanation as to why a moustache has often referred to in the plural - "mustachios" or "pair of moustaches"? Agatha Christie, for instance, often referred to Hercule Poirot's "moustaches":

"Poirot winced. His moustaches had always been his sensitive point. He was inordinately proud of them. My words touched him on the raw." -- from The A.B.C. Murders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.4.237 (talk) 02:08, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

"Mysterio Brown"?
The explanation of "Mysterio Brown" in the introductory paragraphs seems quite out of place, considering that this is not a well-known person nor one critical to the understanding of mustaches. It should be completely removed. Furthermore, the citation is a mustache wax company, and does not appear to include any information about this character, person, or their mustache. I can find nowhere on Google any results that are not the exact copy of the sentence used in the article, nor any "Big Bowler Bananza" images or articles that are not, again, the exact same sentence. 98.15.223.38 (talk) 12:07, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It was added a week or two ago by an anon IP ... I have removed it, since even if it's real it doesn't belong in the introduction. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:03, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

spelling difference
I have undone an edit which changed the start of the article to: "A moustache (British English) or mustache (American English; see spelling differences) ..." with links (I just copied the text) because putting in a big link to an article about the difference between British and American spelling at the very start of an article about a particular kind of facial hair is unnecessary and confusing. By that thinking, this same link could be put in the first sentence of every wikipedia article about any noun/verb spelled differently in US and UK, which would be silly. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. There would be nothing silly about it.  You wouldn't get them all at once.  Besides, I hardly think the link could be regarded as "big."  I fail to see what's confusing about it.  I think you are needlessly creating an obstacle to anyone who is interested in checking out the matter.  Anyone else may simply ignore the link.  Kostaki mou (talk) 22:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not confusing, it's just not relevant - at least, not relevant enough to be almost the very first thing that a reader encounters in this article. Readers come to this article to learn about mustaches, not linguistics, and we shouldn't distract them right off the bat with a different topic.
 * Take a look at the opening sentence of aluminum and color and hood (car) to see what I mean.
 * I notice that two days ago, an anonymous editor made changes similar to the one you made to a number of articles. Is that you? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No. I don't make anonymous changes (on purpose anyhow).
 * Ah, then you're not alone in your opinion. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I hope not. Anyone can choose to be distracted or not as he pleases.  (As for myself, I welcome such distractions.)  I fail to see that its position in the article is of any significance.  I think you're being willful and actually something of a killjoy.  Kostaki mou (talk) 19:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I meant that the anonymous editor agreed with you - and thus disagreed with me - and feels that mentioning the spelling difference is legitimate for the introduction to article(s) whose subject is spelled differently.
 * I guess I'm being willful, since it requires an act of will to make a wikipedia edit, and perhaps I'm a killjoy, but the goal of wikipedia isn't amusement. I made what I think is a reasonable change to improve the usefulness of an article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how removing information improves the usefulness of an article. However, I won't argue with you any more. Kostaki mou (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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English moustache
Commons has a cat with plenty. Does it need an article? Sources? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Historical evolution of the moustache from horse riding military units
User DavidWBrooks just removed three photos I added to the gallery showing ghengis khan from the 1200s, a buffalo soldier in 1890, and teddy roosevelt in 1898 with moustaches (the last two riding horses) because he says this page is only reserved for unusual moustaches. I'm not sure that's a fair argument if one is trying to understand how the moustache evolved historically as a culture. I also don't think that Frank Zappa or Hulk Hogan should have their pictures in the gallery over say, a buffalo soldier, but hey.Smellyshirt5 (talk) 14:31, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The gallery isn't a bunch of pictures of important or famous people who had big mustaches. If the gallery serves any value (and that's debatable) then it exists to show how various mustache styles look, via photos of people wearing them. Remember, this is an article about facial hair, not about people.
 * As for your claim about military styles altering the development of mustaches over time, there's nothing in the article to support that claim. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:51, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There is actually a citation in the History section that supports that claim via the Hussars. What were the Rough Riders and the Buffalo Soldiers? Some sort of light cavalry unit?Smellyshirt5 (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Check out WP:Gallery for discussion about what should, and shouldn't, be in a gallery of photos. In particular: "Gallery images must collectively add to the reader's understanding of the subject ... while avoiding similar or repetitive images unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made." - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, see the history section of the article and the hussar image section of the Hussars page.Smellyshirt5 (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point - I moved the hussar photo into that section of the text, to make the connection clearer. This discussion does raise the question of the purpose of that photo gallery at the bottom. This article has long had a problem with too many photos of famous people with mustaches. Personally I think we could kill it ... there is already that graphic showing different types of mustaches. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 02:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Go for itSmellyshirt5 (talk) 02:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I chickened out. I've removed a couple of photos where mustaches are similar to others. They'll probably return, though ... - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:30, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Women also have moustaches(?)
Women also have moustaches(?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.25.77 (talk) 15:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page was vandalized in the history section, see the “human-walrus hybrid” comment and link the mythbusters guy. I’m not competent to edit, but wanted to point it out. 73.213.129.129 (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)