Talk:Moving in Stereo

Questionable claims with book-only (non-Internet) citation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moving_in_Stereo&diff=533342830&oldid=507615863

I think whoever added this material should tell us exactly what is written in this book.

There's a darling little movement afoot, these days, to deny that Ric Ocasek wasn't the heart, soul, and brain of The Cars, depsite, y'know, writing all the lyrics and music (with four or five songs in which keyboardist Greg Hawkes contributed music). Some demented people believe these musicians (Hawkes, Elliot Easton, Benjamin Orr) would forego co-writing credits merely for the sake of soothing Ocasek's allegedly monstrous ego. But anyone with half a brain knows, the moment their debut album started nearing Platinum status, if ANYONE in the band felt they had co-written material and been denied songwriting royalties, the lawsuits would have begun right the hell there and then. Songwriting royalties is where the real money is. Nobody gives them up just to make another band member happy. That simply does not happen. The drummer, bassist, whoever, sees the songwriter getting a lot richer than the others, and if that person has ANY claim on the songwriting royalties, he sues! If Easton or Orr had ever co-written a Cars song and been denied credit, we'd have read about it in the papers decades ago. Although the Wikipedia editor who added this stuff isn't claiming Ben Orr co-wrote the song, he IS laying the groundwork for a general "Ric Ocasek isn't shit" statement. He's saying Orr essentially co-produced the song, and I highly doubt that.

I want to know exactly what was written in this book. I'm skeptical that it really says what this editor had written, and who is this book's writer, anyway? --Ben Culture (talk) 10:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The song apparently caused some friction in the studio, with Ric Ocasek admiring the work of Orr but at the same time wanting to co-produce his own compositions. Orr eventually won out, in the sense that certain overdubs and other studio effects were his idea.[4][Behind the music: conflict, performance, longevity, and turnover in punk and new wave rock bands. E Conlon… - Current Topics in Management 2009]


 * I will be removing this paragraph unless it gets a helluva lot clearer and much more specific. 17 February 2014 seems long enough -- 13 months -- to have waited.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)