Talk:Movistar Team (men's team)

Caisse d'Epargne - bank
i believe Caisse d’Epargne is first and foremost a French Banking group. The cycling team is so named as the bank is their main sponsor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.92.170.254 (talk) 21:44, February 13, 2007


 * True; but no article about the bank exists so disambiguation is unnecessary. If an article is created then we can go and disambiguation (namely move this page to Caisse d'Epargne (cycling team), create an article at Caisse d'Epargne (bank) - or however that is disambiguated - and leave this page to link to them). Similar tasks have already been undertaken at other cycling teams sponsored by banks :). Mk3severo 01:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. But it might be useful to at least mention in the article what Caisse d'Epargne is. At the moment, it talks about Illes Balears, but doesn't say anything at all about Caisse d'Epargne. --David Edgar 20:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point - and done. Mk3severo 21:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the article today (to Caisse d'Epargne (cycling team), 16@r, and adding the hatnote at the top of Groupe Caisse d'Epargne. Readers should no longer confuse a cycling team with its title sponsor.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is spurious. No one is going to read this article, even if it's at Caisse d'Epargne, and be confused, thinking it's about a bank. At the absolute very least, Caisse d'Epargne should redirect to the cycling team, since had numerous articles link to it, all of which were about cycling. I've already changed the redirect. Don't fall asleep  zzzzzz 02:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Caisse d'Epargne a Basque Team??
Caisse d'Epargne is not a Basque Team. Its headquarters are and have always been in Pamplona, Navarra which is not part of the Basque country. The tradition, as indicated by Miguel Indurain, was as a Navarran team. Euskatel Euskadi is a Basque team as its headquarters are in the Basque country. My real concern is that by saying that Caisse d'Epargne is a Basque Team, you are not holding an NPOV and are actually making a Political Point, that Navarra is Basque. The safest option is to state it as it is, which is that they are 2 separate Autonomous Regions, the Basque Country and Navarra. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpaulwright (talk • contribs).


 * Thanks for this. I say that if this is not substantiated within a few months we remove it - but give it a chance first for editors to clarify what they mean. SeveroTC 20:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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proposal withdrawn. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 04:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Requested move
This article should be at Caisse d'Epargne since it is known only by that name, and the bank is known as Groupe Caisse d'Epargne. A short while ago, someone changed the Caisse d'Epargne redirect to point to the bank, which had the silly and counter-productive result of redirects such as Banesto (cycling team) pointing to the article on the bank. I've restored the redirects that clearly were meant to point to this article to do so. This includes Caisse d'Epargne - over a hundred articles that linked to that redirect were about a rider, a race, or another team. Only two were about banking or finance. The handful of articles meant to link to Groupe Caisse d'Epargne already do link to that article. If nothing else, this is a pretty clear case of WP:IAR. Putting the cycling team at Caisse d'Epargne is in the best interests of the smooth functioning of Wikipedia. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 01:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose The fact that the sponsored cycling team has more articles on WikiPedia has no bearing which should be located at that name. Are you saing that when people refer to the bank in conversation, they say Groupe? Or is it plain old Caisse? 76.66.198.171 (talk) 08:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I don't live in France or work in finance. And the fact that more articles link to the cycling team absolutely has bearing on the situation. Why should readers strating on cycling pages have to make an additional click when they're obviously bound for this article? If Caisse d'Epargne becomes a dab page, that's another matter. Don't fall asleep  zzzzzz 11:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose The Caisse d'Epargne (bank) webpage quickly tells you that they even refer to themselves as "Caisse d'Epargne", not "Groupe Caisse d'Epargne". A quick search on google reveals many news articles referring to the bank without saying "Groupe". But given the clear ambiguity here, I believe that Caisse d'Epargne should in fact be a disambiguation page with the two links, rather than a redirect to one or other of the pages. --David Edgar (talk) 09:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose that'd be reasonable, but the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of the articles linking to Caisse d'Epargne are meant for this article. You gonna fix those links, or does that plumb fall to me? Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 11:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * A disambiguation page with just 2 links is overkill. A link at the start of whichever article comes up first is sufficient for any reader.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Withdrawn, since there's clearly not going to be consensus to move. But we do need to make sure the right links point to the right articles. As it stands now, they do. If this is acceptable to everyone, then so be it. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 04:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose The Group is only part of the Caisse d'Epargne system, and arguably not the most important part. The group is one company owned by individual local savings banks, also branded Caisse d'Epargne.  It is precisely because it is such a large system who needs to keep its brand well known that it sponsors a cycling team.  I am not averse to redirecting Caisse d'Epargne to the cycling team page, but please don't actually rename the article.  One day the cycling team will change its name (even Team Telekom did) and squatting on the name of a major business system will look to have been very silly.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
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Andrei Aguilar is from Costa Rica, not Comoros
Please correct Andrei's flag and origin. Costa Rica's code is CRC. Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_rica —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.219.248 (talk) 05:09, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you mean Andrey Amador.


 * I can't find a good source. The UCI Pro Tour site is down ("Service denied"), Yahoo! says he is from Comoros, but this unofficial site says he is from Costa Rica.
 * Feel free to solve this puzzle and fix the article.
 * --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Here is his UCI entry for the Tour de l'Avenir 2008, with country code (CRC) and day of birth:

172 	AMADOR BIPKAZACOVA 	Andrei 	CRC19860829

Available at UCI's Nations's Cup.

http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTU0MDQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.219.248 (talk) 03:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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