Talk:Mr. Capone-E

Untitled
page mispells "beginnings"

This article does not require the parenthetical in the title: I propose moving it to Mr. Capone-e.--Rockero 03:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Singles
so how come nobody has been keeping up with his singles like light my fire ft snoop dogg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisx118 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Feud with MS-13
I have read that he is wanted dead by the street gang MS-1 3and by juan avalos a gang member(sorry, no links).Hopefully someone can provide a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark667 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt this. -- &oelig; &trade; 16:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Capone
So his rival has a similar name than him?? Does this one or the other one have anythign to do with Norega, for NFS Underground 2 and Rivals for PSP the song I need speed it says it is by "Capone Norega"

Capone N Noreaga
There is also an African American rapper called Capone, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capone-N-Noreaga. ´Wathiik 14:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity
There seems to be a debate over whether Mr. Capone-E is Middle Eastern (Pakistani?). What are the sources for this info? Let's have a discussion about this here rather than reverting each other.--Rockero 21:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC) http://www.latinrapper.com/featurednews30.html has references to him not being Latino, Mr Capone-E has replied to other beef but chose to not address the Middle Eastern comments. Mr. Capone-E has an Arab real name, he makes a point to not refer to himself as Chicano in interviews, and doesn't dispute references to not being Latino. People only remove the Arab references because they are big fans of his. I'm all for him doing his music, but show me some links in which he says he's Latino and I'll be happy to stop revising the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.29.213 (talk • contribs)
 * If his government name is Arab, which it is, the burden of proof is on demonstrating that he's ALSO Latino, not on disproving that he's Arab. If you claim that he's discussed throughout media as being Mexican, then please provide links, until then your claims have no merit.  It shouldn't be that hard for you to post legitimate sources if you're correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.29.213 (talk • contribs)
 * If his real name is available, we should include it in the article. Also, if he is Pakistani, then his last name should be Urdu, not Arabic (although it is entirely possible that it the name could be Arabic). At any rate, we need sources for any info we include in the article, so in effect, User:68.159.29.213 is correct in that the burden of proof is on you, ChicanoJ, to prove that he is Latino. However, the proof doesn't necessarily have to be a website. If you can give specific data about claims to a Hispanic heritage, that should be enough. Finally, since there is so much debate, we should include who says what about his ethnicity in the main article, in order to minimize further vandalism. I also formatted everyone's comments; I hope nobody minds.--Rockero 05:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If his real name is available, we should include it in the article. Also, if he is Pakistani, then his last name should be Urdu, not Arabic (although it is entirely possible that it the name could be Arabic). At any rate, we need sources for any info we include in the article, so in effect, User:68.159.29.213 is correct in that the burden of proof is on you, ChicanoJ, to prove that he is Latino. However, the proof doesn't necessarily have to be a website. If you can give specific data about claims to a Hispanic heritage, that should be enough. Finally, since there is so much debate, we should include who says what about his ethnicity in the main article, in order to minimize further vandalism. I also formatted everyone's comments; I hope nobody minds.--Rockero 05:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he's both. there was immagration from the middle east to mexico incase some of y'all dont know that? Unknown User 16:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC) Rockero 21:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Tower records just has that as an album description based on his appearance, however, which is swhy they erroneously put Puerto Rican or non-Chicano artists in the Chicano section of stores as well. You give a writer a picture of a brown guy with a shaved head and shades and they're going to write him up as Latin in the description.  Plus the NY times doesn't say he's latino, just that he's an artist of Latin Hip Hop (Chicano style rap being a subgenre of Latin Hip Hop). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.29.213 (talk • contribs)
 * I think the latest revision by Rockero is on point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.29.213 (talk • contribs)
 * I think the latest revision by Rockero is on point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.29.213 (talk • contribs)


 * yeah it is.--ChicanoJ


 * If he has decided to drop his genre of Chicano rap obvoiusly he is not chicano he is middle eastern.

Some dude dropped this link in the article to prove his name is fahd azam: http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=1611076&search_in=c&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=20&start=1

Peep the title of the site and then peep the songs attached to this name. This latest revsion finally brought much-needed hard evidence to the Fahd Azam/Pakistani debate. In my opinion the the burden of proof has shifted drastically in light of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.31.253 (talk) 09:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr capone E is a pakistani also pakistanis are not middle easterns there south asians Pakistan used to be india 60 years but divided because of religion wars Also all muslims have there names arabic not urdu punjabi english spanish or anything  He has a song which he called himself Paki which i can provide if needed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nextman786 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism again
Someone just deleted the whole article and uploaded the press text. Here's the original text:

Early registration for Wikimania 2007 is open. [hide] Mr. Capone-E From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

Mr. Capone-E is a sureno rapper and producer from the Los Angeles, California. He records for the Thump Records and Hi-Power labels.[1] According to his website, he has sold over 500,000 records.[2] Capone-E has collaborated with such hip hop performers as Mr. Criminal, Lil Menace, Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, NB Ridaz, Lil Flip, andCher.[citation needed] He is most noted for his integration of Motown Sound into the Chicano rap genre, the best known example of which is his rendition of the Rosie & the Originals song "Angel Baby". Although his style is generally considered Chicano rap due to Spanish words and a Hispanic accent in songs, rivals such as Big Capone have publicly released diss tracks bringing his heritage into question saying he is really of Pakistani descent and leaked his real name of Fahad Azam, his real name was always shrouded in secrecy by Hi-Power. Capone and his cohorts even leaked a video that showcased an old picture of Azams's from his pilgrimage to Pakistan.[3] To further add disrepute to himself, Mr Capone-E has chosen to neither confirm nor deny these claims but instead chooses to rather distance himself from the Chicano genre and prefers to style himself as a "Sureño sureno rapper".

In an interview with Teen Angels magazine, Capone-E claims to have a criminal record.He is a known male prostitution Kingpin. According to the Sureño Rap website, he runs his male prostitution ring from the San Gabriel valley.[4]

Besides his criticism of Capone-E's musical abilities, his rival Capone has also accused him of "not even [being] Latino". The interviewer then asked, "But in all fairness, even if he's Middle Eastern, he's still brown, its still brown on brown violence it can come to. Is it just that you don't like that he does Chicano rap?", to which Capone responded, "Nowadays, you got guys like this dude, dressing like a Mexican dude. He's pimping our culture, the way I see it. And then people, you know, think he's a real cholo."[5]

This interview, along with bulletin board and internet forum posts, have fueled rumors that Capone-E is of Pakistani descent, a charge he has not denied or admitted to. Contents [hide]

* 1 Singles * 2 Albums * 3 Filmography * 4 References * 5 External links

[edit] Singles Year 	Song 	U.S. Hot 100 	U.S. R&B 	U.S. Rap 	Album 2003 	"Angel Baby 2003" 	- 	- 	- 	Dedicated To The Oldies 2003 	"You're The One For Me" 	- 	- 	- 	Dedicated To The Oldies 2003 	"Take A Chance" 	- 	- 	- 	Dedicated To The Oldies 2003 	"Gangster Lovin'" 	- 	- 	- 	Dedicated To The Oldies 2005 	"My Angel" 	- 	- 	- 	A Soldier's Story 2005 	"I Got U" 	- 	- 	- 	A Soldier's Story 2005 	"Sad Boy" 	- 	- 	- 	A Soldier's Story 2005 	"Life Of A Gangster" 	- 	- 	- 	A Soldier's Story 2006 	"Don't Get It Twisted"

(featuring Twista) - 	- 	- 	Don't Get It Twisted 2006 	"You Sould Be A Model" 	- 	- 	- 	Don't Get It Twisted 2004 	"Missin You"

(featuring Loren) - 	- 	- 	Always And Forever 2004 	"Lady Lady"

(featuring J. Ochoa) - 	- 	- 	Always And Forever 2004 	"I Like It"

(featuring Nate Dogg) - 	- 	- 	Always And Forever 2004 	"Me And You 2005" 	- 	- 	- 	Always And Forever 2006 	"King Of Da Streets" 	- 	- 	- 	Lil' Flip & Mr. Capone-e Present Connected

[edit] Albums

* Mr. Capone-E & the Southsiders (2000, Hi Power Entertainment) * Last Man Standing (2001) * Dedicated 2 the Oldies (2003) * Always and Forever (2004) * Strictly for the Streets Vol. 1 (2005) * Southsider Mixtape (2005) * Live in Japan Soundtrack (2005) * Ol' Skool Music Vol. 1 (2005) (Zapp & Mr. Capone-E) * A Soldier's Story (2006) * Don't get it twisted (2006) * Ol' Skool Music Vol. 2 (2006) (Mr. Capone-E & Zapp) * Connected (with Lil Flip) (2006) * Dedicated to the Oldies Part II (2007, coming soon)

[edit] Filmography

* The Making of A Soldier's Story (2003)[6]

* A Day "in" the Life of Mr. Capone-E 2003 in film

* A Soldier's Story 2 DVD Set 2005 in film

[edit] References

1. ^ Answers.com. Mr.Capone-E. Accessed June 8, 2006.  2. ^ Mr. Capone-E "News". Accessed June 8, 2006 3. ^ Sureño Rap website. "Rumors - MR. CAPONE-E LAST MAN STANDING?". Accessed June 8, 2006 4. ^ Sureño Rap website. "Rumors - MR. CAPONE-E LAST MAN STANDING?". Accessed June 8, 2006 5. ^ LatinRapper. "Interview with Capone". Accessed June 8, 2006 6. ^ 2003-USA-Vocal Music. [http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=292856 Mr. Capone-E: A Day 'N' the Life of Mr. Capone-e]. New York Times, accessed June 8, 2006. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6t2ksgLT8 [edit] External links

* Official site * Official Myspace

I think we should re-write the original article, focussing not so much on ethnicity but on music and culture instead.

Wathiik 07:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You can supplement what's already in the article with information on his music, given you provide reputable sources on the web, but his ethnicity is significant and needs to be part of the article. Any time there's a message board topic about him or a youtube video of his online, some if not most of the discussion and posts from people involve his ethnicity. Seems to be Pakistan and religion to be Islam.The article doesn't need to be rewritten, but if you have content that you can add that can be cited from a notable site (not a blog, etc), go ahead and add some info. 70.149.171.35 16:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's not important, but there isn't enough information about the music in the article. SOMEONE DELETED THE DISCOGRAPHY *again*! Wathiik 12:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

HERES THE REAL MR.CAPONE-E!! --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6t2ksgLT8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smilenowcrynever (talk • contribs) 15:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

mr.capone
I HEARD THAT MR.CAPONE-E REAL NAME IS RICARDO SANTANA HERNANDEZ. WELL THAT A MEXICAN NAME RIGHT?SO HE MEXICAN

I DONT HOW YOU PEOPLE CAME UP THAT MR.CAPONE IS PAKI? WERE DID U HERE THIS STUFF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.197.108 (talk) 20:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

June vandalism
I have reverted this back to a 4 June version, due to multiple vandalism thats a bit hard to weed out. Apologies if I removed any good edits. Kevin (talk) 03:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC) i dont know where u got that name but buy the new snapper dvd then ull understand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.58.27 (talk) 07:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Controversy section
This section is unsourced, and because we do not keep unsourced controversial information in biographies of living people, I am removing the section. Feel free to replace if sources are added. Kevin (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

hey just want to add to this that his lyrics go through the turban wars, snapper and TI beefs etc. its common knowledge in rap communities but diehard capone-e fans still refuse to accept that he's not mexican. if you got any LA hip hop head admins on wikipedia hit them up and ask them yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.31.253 (talk) 07:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is that any interpretation we make of his lyrics is original research. Kevin (talk) 07:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

there's a difference between interpretation and outright statements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.31.253 (talk) 07:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not in relation to sourcing a controversy section in a bio. The song lyrics are not a reliable source, and cannot be used to verify a controversial issue. Kevin (talk) 08:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced additions
Please, before adding any information to this article read WP:PROVEIT. This article has had a history of controversial, uncited claims and misinformation. What it needs are references. Claims and lyrics from songs are not reliable citations, nor are the publicity based claims of his friends and enemies. The article also needs citations to back notability per WP:NOTABILITY else the entire article runs the risk of deletion. Mfield (talk) 03:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have semi-protected the article again, because of the continual addition of unsourced controversy. Kevin (talk) 03:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Dubious notability
The notability of this subject is highly dubious. I see that reliable sources have been requested for many months now to no avail. I will be nominating this for deletion very soon if this cannot be resolved. JBsupreme (talk) 09:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Made Changes
I made a change to where it says "Beef with texas rapper capone" and changed the Texas With California. The original Capone is from San Fernando California and lived in Detroit.Not texas.Get the facts straite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.130.56 (talk) 22:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Straite...haha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.116.217 (talk) 18:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Questionable claims
I removed the claim that Capone-E's real name is Fahad Azam as the one source quoted is of questionable reliability and I could find no other sources to corroborate the claim. I also removed the line about his high school as it was not clear that it was actually Mr. Capone-E. If anyone has better sources for this information then we can add it back in. SQGibbon (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Mun2 not reliable? That's a media org owned by NBC Universal, and that article is in its "news" section. And the Pakistani claims we can stay away from (even though his name sorta makes it obvious) given that only a rival rapper claims so. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Being owned by NBC does not automatically confer notability -- I'm sure they own all sorts of crap. I know nothing about the Mun2 website but just glancing at its content does not inspire a lot of confidence in its journalistic integrity.  And that chart specifically looks like something that was just thrown together for the fun of it as opposed to a serious attempt at chronicling the lives of either of those two rappers.  For all we know the information about his name could have been taken from the Wikipedia article (which used this as his name before the Mun2 article).  My feeling is that if this is his real name then there should be another source out there to corroborate that fact, a source that doesn't look quite so sketchy. SQGibbon (talk) 19:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I looked at a version of this article from August 2008, it links to a page from ASCAP showing that his first name in his credits is actually spelled "Fahd". Andrewlp1991 (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a much better looking source. SQGibbon (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone keeps changing "... is an American rapper<" into "... Pakastani (wannabee Chicano) rapper." Maybe we should do something about that! Na7shu (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Someone seems to keep changing "is an American rapper" to "an Chicano rapper" which is definitely grammatically incorrect. One may argue that he is in fact a Chicano rapper despite his non-Chicano ancestry; maybe we should think about looking for a compromise. Maybe "is a Sureño rapper" would be better after all. Na7shu (talk) 11:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess someone changed it again. Na7shu (talk) 11:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

It says now: "Mr. Capone-E[1] is an American rapper. He is Muslim"; but it would be probably better to state "an American rapper of Pakistani descent" or something like that... or does the source really say that he's a Muslim? Wathiik (talk) 12:44, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024
Mr Capon E is ethnically Pashtun, as stated in a interview, it states he is Hazara, which is false 82.13.42.157 (talk) 23:05, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Can you provide the interview? GrayStorm(Talk&#124;Contributions) 23:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)