Talk:Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo/Archive 1

Mr. Mackey

 * This is Mr. Mackey's, as well as Mr. Hankey's, first appearances in the series. In the production sequence he was introduced in the episode "Damien" though. That episode first aired in February 1998.

I have moved the following information from the plot summary here, this shouldn't be mentioned in the article. It should be mentioned in Mr. Mackey's wiki page.

Kennys near death experiences
Should they be noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.252.8 (talk) 08:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Feces
I know this is an episode about a piece of poo, but is a link to an article on faeces really relevant?--Jcvamp 00:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

noel
In a part in this episode Mr. Hankey writes 'NOEL' on a vanity mirror while singing a song for seemingly random purposes. Can anybody tell me the significance of 'NOEL'? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.210.68.218 (talk • contribs).
 * Noel is french for "Christmas." Professor Chaos 21:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

ARE YOU SERIOUS? The-e fi-irst no-oel....you know.....christmas........this will probably be deleted, but come on! Noel is french for Christmas. DUH! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ninington (talk • contribs).

Token
There's a white Token sitting in the crowd at about 21:00 minutes. Maybe that should be mentioned in the Trivia section. --84.146.248.251 02:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it a white Token, or is it a generic white kid who happens to look like token? The production value of most episodes is very low, they reuse generic "extras" all the time.  Most background people, other than major characters, look basically the same.  I don't think this is a white version of token, I think it's just a generic kid. Professor Chaos 21:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * he has brown hands and is wearing a purple shirt with a yellow "T" on it.. it's Token. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

School Play at the beginning
Kyle's mom -angry about nativity play- calls Kyle's role Joseph of Arimathea, but Kyle is playing Joseph of Nazareth, Jesus father. 78.51.104.216 (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course a Jew wouldn't know that.--Nascarking (talk) 20:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Michigan J. Frog
The Michigan J. Frog reference, in addition to likley being original research, is also factually inaccurate, as Michigan J. Frog appeared in only one short, the referenced "One Forggy Evening". Michigan J. Frog never appeared in another short, though he did become the mascot for the WB television nettwork early on in its existence. In any event, the section should be removed as it is unverified. 209.254.200.110 (talk) 20:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed the section per your request and argument. __meco (talk) 07:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Does this article pass the notability test? Alastairward (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

No The Video Game Master (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * My thoughts then would be to merge to the South Park list of episodes. Alastairward (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread the question, I thought you were asking if it should be merged. Don't merge. The Video Game Master (talk) 18:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Not a very good reason not to! Any relevant wiki policies you would like to quote? Any reason not to merge? Alastairward (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

WHY DO YOU WANT TO? The Video Game Master (talk) 03:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Reason given at the top of this section, does this pass the notability test? Alastairward (talk) 10:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course it does. My reasoning is on my talk page. The Video Game Master (talk) 13:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't find any reasoning, just a demand that it remain because you like it. Alastairward (talk) 14:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:V: "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found featuring significant coverage of a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." -- The Red Pen of Doom  18:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I suggest we continue this discussion here. I've given my thoughts on this matter there. Nightscream (talk) 19:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See This page to discuss about the merger. It has been moved to the episode list page -- Gman 124 talk 16:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge due to some great work done recently on this article. Cirt (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

"Filming"?
Reading this bit in "Production:" "[...]they did not decide to make him a Christmas character until halfway through the filming of 'Damien'." I'm unfamiliar with the specific animation cycle for the series, but is "filming" actually the right term here?  The Flash  {talk} 17:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably "halfway through the production of 'Damien'" would make more sense... —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  18:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree.  The Flash  {talk} 23:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Honkey the Christmas Goose?
I recently learned of the existence of a novelty record from 1965 called “Honkey the Christmas Goose” (also sometimes spelled “Honky”), by hockey player Johnny Bower. The chorus from it and the chorus from the “Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo” song are similar in rhythm, but not melody--one could arguably interpret the melody of “Hankey” as an interpolation of the melody from “Honkey.”

Although the idea of a piece of poo called “Mr. Hankey” came from Parker’s childhood experience, I wonder whether the added element of making him “Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo” with accompanying song was inspired by “Honkey”?

Thoughts? Felicity4711 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sources? OrangeDog  (τ • ε) 18:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Inspiration
Could this have been taken from the Catalan tradition of the caganer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.228.82 (talk) 10:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The two figures certainly have significant similarities, so I have placed reciprocal references in each article's "see also" section. __meco (talk) 11:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Add it if you have a reliable source. Otherwise its OR.  Ideally, you'd need a quote from Matt/Trey in an interview saying they knew of this and it was their inspiration.  Personally, I have never seen anyting in the media that links these 2 things 87.112.82.149 (talk) 13:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Adding a link in the "See also" section requires no such reference. __meco (talk) 13:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I was not aware of that. Could you point me to the guideline where you read this?  I ask because my understanding was that everything in an article had to adhere to the no WP:OR policy, thx.87.112.82.149 (talk) 13:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * WP:SEEALSO where it reads "Links included in the "See also" section may be useful for readers seeking to read as much about a topic as possible, including subjects only peripherally related to the one in question." __meco (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Archival
I've archived some old talk page threads that were all pretty much over two years old and stale. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (Parker and STone are the only people doing thoughtful satire in the US today, so far as I know)////  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.133.236 (talk) 00:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 22:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Needs rewording
This looks a bit on the rough side for a Featured Article. A little padlock prevents me from adding VAGUE and similar warning flags.

"Parker and Stone felt the episode elevated South Park to a new level of popularity and relevance."

Relevance to what? (To Christmas? To coprophilia? To interethnic friction?)

"The episode received generally positive reviews and has been described as one of the classic South Park episodes"

Has been described by whom? And what does "classic" mean here?

(Later in the article, three sources are given for the episode's, uh, classicity or classicality or whatever. However, none of these is online, so it's hard to check. Could "classic" be merely an impressive-sounding word for "good"?)

"This allowed Parker and Stone to practically take their pick of guest stars"

What distinction is being drawn between (A) taking and (B) practically taking? 133.25.247.203 (talk) 05:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC) Thank you for your interest, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) "Parker and Stone felt the episode elevated South Park to a new level of popularity and relevance." -- This is a generally accepted term meaning relevance in society and popular culture.
 * 2) "The episode received generally positive reviews and has been described as one of the classic South Park episodes" -- This is a summary of more specific text which appears later in the article.
 * 3) "This allowed Parker and Stone to practically take their pick of guest stars" -- This is documented amongst secondary sources.


 * Thank you for your polite reply, but I think you're evading the questions. "Relevant": What's generally accepted in conversation isn't always good enough for an encyclopedia, where precision is a plus. I can't see a meaning given in the article for "classic". And could these people or could they not take their pick? (I can't see how "practically" can meaningfully qualify the taking of a pick--unless of course it's merely a lazy would-be synonym for "almost".) 133.25.247.203 (talk) 05:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * These terms and idioms are actually used on academia and scholarly works on popular culture, as well as other print encyclopedias. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Featured article... REALLY?
This racist ignorant stupid show which could be put together by a 2 year old gets the FA? Ill be happy when wikipedia dies, full of white entitlement and anti-minority ideals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.49.244 (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Shit happens.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's about the article quality, not the subject. Try knowing what you're talking about before going off on one thanks. GRAPPLE   X  15:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Given that this is a rant from someone who vandalized Wikipedia before, I'd say we could safely ignore it. –- kungming·  2  20:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

free speech
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --75.121.15.37 (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

why was this taken down as this is a violation of free speech, you wouldn't like it if somebody took your rights away
 * Any deletion notices on this article should be treated as vandalism - please don't bother responding to them. - filelake shoe &#xF0F6;  00:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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