Talk:Mr. White (James Bond)

$101,206,000
This is the amount that Le Chiffre lost in his stock market gamble, NOT the amount given him to invest by Obanno. The article should probably read "large sum of money" rather than that specific amount. Jgoulden (talk) 05:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Mr White shot in the leg/knee?
Question how do you know that Mr. White was shot in the leg and also how do you know that the injury occured was non-fatal? In the final chapters of the movie you hear a gun shot yet it dose in no scene following the incident show that the injury occured happend in the leg. Also if he was shot in the leg judging by his crawling in the final scenes it would seem some what fatal. I'm no doctor but judging by his crawling blood would be rushing out of his 'injured area' and would die in a matter of minutes. 83.104.51.181 18:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Um.. maybe because we see something hit his leg and see that very same leg give way and be dragged along as he is crawling towards his Villa which implies that it is his leg that was shot. Also, people are very likely to survive being shot in the leg as opposed to another area of the body and Mr. White only showed signs of the obvious pain in his leg and panic, but looks very alert and did not appear to be dying at all. Bond did not want to kill White immediately as he wanted to tell him his name, and also remember that Mr. White actually saved Bond's life which may suggest something in this final sequence as well. Also consider that we never see White actually die so he may have survived (Bond walking up to him while holding a un does not necessarily mean that he will kill him). What happens next remains as mysterious as the villain himself. .:Alex:. 17:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He is an awsome villain but did not get shot in the leg as it gives no indication Alex. 212.47.83.94 14:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well think about it anyway.. if he was shot in the arm, the chest or anywhere else he wouldn't be able to crawl like that and especially not at that speed (and he wouldn't be able to stay alert that long either). Just ponder that if you will. .:Alex:. 18:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * But he was crawling slowly and not quickly so ponder that!!
 * I remember that movie VERY well. He was not crawling THAT quickly (he crawled all the way from his car to the stairs and if he was slow it would take forever). He was crawling at a desperate speed. Look, many other people I know who have seen it agree (and I didn't even ask them! They were just talking about how it made them jump), he was shot either in the leg or the foot. .:Alex:. 16:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You obviously know nothing about the movie considering that he was standing when he got shot he had not even crawled up the stairs when Bond said "The names James, James Bond". Truth of the matter be we don't actually know where he got shot and we can only presume. .:James:.
 * First of all .:James:. my knowledge of this whole movie is not entirely based on one scene right at the end of the film. That is a stupid assumption that a lot of people make for a variety of things and it is infuriating, so you may wish to think twice before you say that again. Secondly, he collapsed on the stairs. But other than that I respect what else you said. Now I'm not trying to start anything, ok? .:Alex:. 21:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He was only shot with a suppresed 9mm, and it was in the leg. While that would hurt, I don't think it would be fatal or kill unless he bleeds out. 71.136.75.185 02:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Alex, he never actually made it on to the stairs because if he did he would be shure to be shot again right? I'm not saying that I have any complaints unless you account for less action than other Bond films have in them but otherwise it is a really good production. It will be interesting in what happens in the first secene of 'Bond 22' [can't they come up with anything better than that for a name?] I would presume Bond would shoot him again because there's not a reason for him to be alive is there? -James.In the final scene of Casino Royale, Bond confronts

"Mr. White at his villa along Lake Como and shoots him in the knee with a silenced UMP-9. White's ultimate fate remains to be seen2". - This is what is written in the article after all this discussion how do we know it is even in the knee if it is'nt in the leg? If we can't agree on were he was shot let's have something like "Mr. White at his villa along Lake Como and shoots him below the midrift".??? - Bob

I can't believe im reading this. He was obviously hit in the leg. Why? Because Bond didnt want to kill him. Why? Because you usually dont kill someone before interrogating them. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=xFPbVjQIp6k clearly shows white was shot in the leg.

White and Vesper
"He activates Vesper to ensure that Bond does not escape from the tournament" Is that really so? Doesn't the first encounter between them happen after the Casino scenes?

He sees Vesper Lynd afater the Casino Royal scenes after the money has been won by Bond.

I question this line for other reasons... doesnt white force Vesper to do his bidding by threatening to kill Vesper's husband? Activate does not seem to be the proper verb. misterboston

Vesper is the accountant she was not married. She was the one who was funding the extra money for Bond if he needed it. This included getting rid of the bodies Ie: the paying of Mathis. Vesper struck a deal with Mathis that she would con Bond into settling down and then taking his money however Bond caught on. BCFC Blue 13:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It wasent her husband it was her boyfriend, And I belive that She told Mr. White during the torture scene that, if he let Bond and her live, she would give him the money (not shown). Just Like M states in the end of the movie.

Vesper has no husband she just has a boyfriend. It is rumoured that her boyfriend will play a flashback part in the next Bond film. It is rumoured that the next Bond film will be called 'Bond 22'. Mr. White and Vesper never spoke during the torture scenes no one spoke bar Bond and the torture man.

Mr. White's boss
I am wanting to know who plays Mr. White's mysterious boss. He is the gentleman with the glasses with the one dark lense.

Are you refering to the torture scene??? BCFC Blue 13:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The gentleman with the glasses with the darkened lense is a character called Gettler - who is simply a henchman. Mr White is his boss, rather than the other way round. MrMagoo 11:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Conclusion On: Mr. White shot in the leg?
It has been brought to the conclusion of the above argument: Mr. White shot in the leg? that White was shot however it is unknown in what area it hit him he is saw staggering but we never see where the bullet landed inside him. It could be in his calf or foot we don't know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.104.51.181 (talk •

contribs) 09:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC-8) He's shot in the leg, it could be in the calf, but that is still part of the leg. When you watch the scene you can see by the way he falls that he was shot in the leg, also you can see a soft mist-spray of blood coming from the leg area.86.138.125.156 16:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Urm..you can't argue with the conclusion that was brought forward why is everyone so argumentative? There is no way we could possibly see were he was hit although it was below the midrift. It could be calf, foot, leg. Also spray of blood know I never saw that?

Possibly SPECTRE?
Why is this on the page? SPECTRE hasn't been mentioned in a Bond film since Diamonds Are Forever in 1971. Nothing I saw in Casino Royale even hinted at a return of SPECTRE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.70.154.108 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC-8)

Casino Royale is a prequel to all of the previous films. So although it is thought that Ernst Stavro Blofeld is dead as well as the organization he ran these events havnt happened yet according to the timeline, for all we know White could be the predecessor to to Blofeld. if that helps you out a bit in getting your facts straight. Also it is hinted that he may be part of SPECTRE but in the article it is said that he may be part of SMERSH which is different, SMERSH meaning death to spys while SPECTRE stands for(SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion).

Casino Royale is not necessarily a prequel film. Rather, it restarts the Bond continuity afresh, from what I hear tell. On the subject of SMERSH, the real life Russian organisation of the same name was quite real during Ian Fleming's lifetime. However, it is now defunct, and I doubt that it will be ressurected in film now that the Soviet Union is no more. SPECTRE is considerably more likely, or even something like OCTOPUS, the group based on SPECTRE that appears in the video game adaptation to From Russia With Love. On a side note, I doubt that a fancifully styled "predecessor to Blofeld" would actually carry out executions. Such an operation would undoubtedly be left to pawns such as Red Grant or Wint and Kidd. Super Shaz 20:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur. Casino Royale is a reboot film, not a pre-quel. They've taken much of the plot, and characters, from the original 1953 Fleming novel, Casino Royale, but placed them in modern times, post- Cold War. One would know this if one actually paid attention while watching the movie; M says something to the effect of "God, I miss the Cold War" early in the film after learning of Bond's involvement in relation to shooting up the embassy in Africa, and suggesting that in those days he would have had the sense to defect after such a PR disaster. Also, if they truly wanted to make Casino Royale a prequel movie they would have placed it in a 1950's context. I thought Casino Royale was the best Bond film yet, but it was the re-boot part I had the most trouble digesting, perhaps because my first exposure to Bond, when I was a kid, was the books, not the movies. IMHO, the worst Bond movies are all the ones with Roger Moore in them. He's a pussy, nothing like the original Bond character Fleming envisioned, rough around the edges, a true assassin, albeit supposedly for the "good guys". Dalton was probably a close second best, arguably so. Anyway, we all digress, these discussion pages are supposed to be for making suggestions to improve the accuracy or quality of the actual Wikipedia article, not a soapbox for expressing our own personal opinions or wishes for future films. On that note, can anyone clarify if that's a typo or not in this article, I thought it was supposed to be $150 mil not $120 mil up for grabs in the silver briefcase. Garth of the Forest (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I would love to see Bond go after a new modern SPECTRE. SMERSH is definitely out of the question unless the producers of the next bond movie make it mean something else. So I would have to go with Mr. White being associated with SPECTRE. Why not? It would make the die hard bond fans happy. SPECTRE can also be tied in to Al Qaida and other modern terrorist organizations since the timeline has started over. There would be endless possibilities there!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThunderSPTT (talk • contribs) 12:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, SPECTRE hasn't been in the EON movies since Thunderball due to licensing issues - thus the parade of non-SPECTRE supervillians in the rest of the Bond movies. It looks like Quantum is the "new" SPECTRE. Jgoulden (talk) 05:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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 * Fixed. El Greco(talk) 02:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

"Green Planet"
"Green Planet" has been listed as the name of the terrorist organization based on the following;

"We have learned that the plot centres on an attempted coup in a South American country. Dominic Greene^ (Mathieu Amalric), who works behind the cover of an organisation called Green Planet, wants to control one of the world's most important natural resources* and to aid in this he makes a deal with an exiled South American general to get him back into power."

However, "behind the cover of an organization called Green Planet" implies that GP is not the name of the terrorist organization but rather of a front, providing a "cover" behind which Mr. Greene and his terrorist organization works. Until we have something more solid I feel like "unnamed terrorist organization" is a more accurate thing to put on the page. (Happy to discuss further, but could you please respond on the "Quantum of Solace" page? Thanks).147.9.167.197 (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was Do not move. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Mr. White (James Bond) → White (James Bond) — this seems to be a rather contentious title, so I've decided to open a RM on this. The point seems to lie in WP:NCP, which states not to use qualifiers such as Dr., King, Saint. I interpret that as to also mean to not use "Mr" in titles too. However, it is true that this character is only referred to as "Mr. White" throughout the film. So should it remain as what is spoken in the film or do we rely on WP:NCP just list his surname instead? —hbdragon88 (talk) 04:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Oppose. I think this is a point where the guidelines should be ignored. Would you also call Mr. T, "T", and Saint George, "George"? Then there is the issue that the title "White" is not obviously a name; the guidelines suggest that the prefix can be used "when this is the simplest and most NPOV way to deal with disambiguation". 81.98.251.134 (talk) 06:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Considering that the character is referred to only as "Mr. White" in the movie, I think the title should stay as is. If his full name is revealed at some point (perhaps in the next Bond movie), then a move would be in order. "White" simply seems too vague. But that's just an opinion. --clpo13(talk) 10:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above, but I think the page should moved to Mr White (James Bond) (sans-period) - the Bond franchise is strongly tied to the United Kingdom (lead character, lead actors, author, setting, etc) Sceptre (talk) 14:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose it's a fictional character, the real person naming conventions do not always apply. Captain America would not be good as America, etc. 70.51.9.251 (talk) 05:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

Seems that I've been shot down, but about the Mr. vs. Mr White...assuming that IMDb is accurate, the cast list has it with the period on it. It could be pro-American bias since the character article also has the period on it. hbdragon88 (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to chime in about this, but it seems that Sceptre has already moved the page sans discussion, so I guess this section is no longer necessary. --clpo13(talk) 09:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I think we need to discuss this. Tempted to revert back as this is somewhat controverisal. Sure it's a British cast...but is there anything in the movie that would hint at his nationality?  Does anyone have the movie?  Can they see the credits list as to how it's spelled?  hbdragon88 (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It is also presumed that Mr. White and Obanno are not notified of the casino tournament.
Just finished a rerun of this movie. Anyone care to explain the rationale behind this statement? CapnZapp (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)