Talk:Mrs. Landingham/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Pamzeis (talk · contribs) 14:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll give this one a shot. Seems quite interesting. Alert me if I screw anything up. Pamzeis (talk) 14:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Prose and links

 * Something that won't affect GA but there seem to be an awful lot of duplinks
 * Be consistent with The West Wing vs West Wing
 * season two finale "Two Cathedrals" — comma after finale
 * In the Infobox, Pilot is italicised while its article does not have it italicised and instead in questions quotation marks—which is it?
 * the first two seasons of The West Wing. She — what is The West Wing?
 * Landingham is a much-beloved character — I might just be nitpicking things here but this bit doesn't really sound neutral
 * I changed it to "beloved"—in my opinion, reliable sources consensus is that she really was a beloved character by fans and the sources themselves. There wasn't much to dislike about Mrs. Landingham, she wasn't a tortured or complex figure.


 * continued through at least — through to?
 * Mrs. Landingham's character came in the → Mrs. Landingham's character comes in the (MOS:PLOT)
 * you know," said Mrs. → you know," says Mrs. (MOS:PLOT)
 * Mrs. Landingham accompanied Toby Ziegler → Mrs Landingham accompanies Toby Ziegler
 * sometimes served as Bartlet's → sometimes serves as Bartlet's
 * two finale episode "Two Cathedrals" following — commas around "Two Cathedrals"?
 * why she was doing this, she asserted her → why she is doing this, she asserts her
 * we're wrong... then → we're wrong... then
 * the show's present moment — what is "the show's present moment"?
 * It's the present moment in the show's timeline, rather than a flashback. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The president is reconsidering ... asks the President to list ... the President was particularly — consistency?
 * The West Wing present — the show no long airs... how can it be its "present"?
 * I think that was intended to mean that on the continuous timeline, Mrs. Landingham was played by Joosten, but played by Nelson during flashbacks. I've cut it


 * series that was then shooting — not really sure what purpose "then" serves
 * The following summer, Joosten — in Australia, it is Christmas during summer
 * good for me personally." — move the full stop outside the quotation mark
 * secretary. in The — capital letter
 * the humanity she brought to — kinda WP:VOICEy
 * I changed it to Sorkin praised the compassion Joosten played Mrs. Landingham with, is that good?
 * numerous to count." — move the full stop outside the quotation mark
 * meaningful interactions with — another WP:VOICEy bit
 * I tried to more directly attribute it to the source
 * External links should be last per MOS:ORDER
 * Per MOS:BIB, "bibliography" is discouraged
 * I left some comments, but everything else is ✅

Verifiability and reliability
Version reviewed
 * What makes Showbiz Cheat Sheet a reliable source?
 * I've removed it from the facts section, but kept it in for its own opinion. I'm happy to remove that too, if needed.
 * It's alright for a GA but just note that it likely won't pass for an FA


 * AingGF on all the sources I can't read
 * In #Character role, if the source doesn't mention a particular plot point, I will assume that it is referenced to the show
 * fn 2: what I can see is this: "Stacker compiled a list of 25 jobs in the White House by consulting official White House and government websites, news reports and interviews, historical accounts, and academic sources." I'm not sure what this means but it appears Stacker is the originator of the source. This might be the direct link.
 * Is there an action that needs to be taken here? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * fn 3: which bit supports her "guidance in the form of honest mentorship and good-natured banter, rather than playing a central political role"?
 * From Parry-Giles: "Her role, though, is very much limited to behind-the-scenes status. She inspires the governor-turned-president from the role as secretary rather than as a visible actor in the political sphere." theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find the sourcing to support mentorship as banter, although I'll leave a message on Fourthords' talk page to figure out if they've got something I don't.


 * fn 9: which bit supports "While at a charity dinner with West Wing cast and crew, Joosten told series creator Aaron Sorkin that she had been approached for a regular role in a TV series that was then shooting its pilot. This inadvertently inspired Sorkin to create serious drama for the Bartlet character by suddenly killing off his lifelong family friend and secretary"?
 * source 13, check the archived version

Other

 * I can barely see the character in File:Mrs. Landingham.png. Is there any chance a higher quality one can be provided?
 * Is this better?
 * There seem to be many images of higher quality on the internet but yeah, it'll suffice


 * File:Kathryn Joosten at 2009 Primetime Emmy Awards.jpg's caption does not "establish ... the picture's relevance to the article" as per MOS:CAPTION
 * ✅, I've removed the image

That's all I have for now. Will do spotchecks next week.

That's what I got on a first pass. Article. Ping me once these are resolved and I'll take a second look. (I haven't seen the article beyond what I've reviewed.) Pamzeis (talk) 11:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

thanks so much! I've made the requested changes, and left notes where i did it with reservations. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This is all i've got for you so far; anything else? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Second look
All seems good! Well done, leek. This article has been ! Pamzeis (talk) 07:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you so, so much! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)