Talk:Ms. Marvel (miniseries)

Cast breakdown
Breakdown of each episode's main on-end billing, plus cast list. Actors in bold indicate the first appearance of the character, with the episodes they appear in after.


 * Episode 1
 * Main on-end billing
 * Vellani, Lintz, Fletcher, Shroff, Kapur, Shaikh, Marsden, Usman
 * Credits
 * Kamala Khan - Iman Vellani 101 102 103 104 105 106
 * Bruno - Matt Lintz 101 102 103 104 105 106
 * Muneeba - Zenobia Shroff 101 102 103 104 105 106
 * Yusef - Mohan Kapur 101 102 103 106
 * Aamir - Saagar Shaikh 101 102 103 106
 * Nakia - Yasmeen Fletcher 101 102 103 104 106
 * Agent Cleary - Arian Moayed 101 102 106
 * Agent Deever - Alysia Reiner 101 102 103 106
 * Zoe - Laurel Marsden 101 102 106
 * Mr. Wilson - Jordan Firstman 101 102 106
 * Najaf - Azhar Usman 101 102 106
 * Auntie Ruby - Anjali Bhimani 101 102 103 106
 * Auntie Zara - Sophia Mahmud 101 102 103 106
 * Driving Instructor - Randy Havens 101
 * Other Captain Marvel - Ned Yousef 101
 * Audience Member #1 - Jack Ha 101
 * Audience Member #2 - Mason Mecartea 101
 * Audience Member #3 - Rebecca Ray 101
 * Audience Member #4 - Olaniyan Thurmon 101
 * AvengerCon Announcer - Ryan Penagos 101
 * Shawn - Connor Jones 101 102
 * Paul - Paul Kim 101 102 106
 * Korg Kid - Joshua Starr 101
 * Tailor - Rakesh Gosain 101
 * Gym Teacher - Philip Covin 101 102
 * Student #1 - Cheslee Duke 101 102
 * Student #2 - Jada Keche Howard 101 102


 * Episode 2
 * Main on-end billing
 * Vellani, Lintz, Fletcher, Shroff, Kapur, Shaikh, Shah, Marsden, Moayed, Reiner, Nakli, Bucha, Usman, Springer
 * Credits
 * Kamala Khan - Iman Vellani
 * Bruno - Matt Lintz
 * Muneeba - Zenobia Shroff
 * Yusef - Mohan Kapur
 * Aamir - Saagar Shaikh
 * Nakia - Yasmeen Fletcher
 * Kamran - Rish Shah 102 103 104 105 106
 * Sana - Samina Ahmed 102 103 104 105
 * Najma - Nirma Bucha 102 103 104 105
 * Tyesha - Travina Springer 102 103 106
 * Sheikh Abdullah - Laith Nakli 102 103 106
 * Agent Cleary - Arian Moayed
 * DODC Agent Sadie Deever - Alysia Reiner
 * Zoe - Laurel Marsden
 * Auntie Ruby - Anjali Bhimani
 * Miguel - Matthew J. Vasquez 102 106
 * Mr. Wilson - Jordan Firstman
 * Najaf - Azhar Usman
 * Auntie Zara - Sophia Mahmud
 * Hameed - Ishan Gandhi 102 106
 * Snapchat Girl #1 - Sheila Awasthi 102 106
 * Snapchat Girl #2 - Rokaya Al Mouzani 102
 * Uncle Rasheed - Iyad Hajjaj 102 106
 * Auntie Humaira - Nandini Minocha 102
 * Mosque Bro #1 - Yash Gajera 102 106
 * Mosque Bro #2 - Rany Abu-elinj 102 106
 * Paul - Paul Kim
 * Shawn - Connor Jones
 * Hameed's Parent #1 - Vseant Nath 102
 * Hameed's Parent #2 - Shivani Persaud 102
 * OnLooker #1 - Chris Mayo 102
 * Gym Teacher - Philip Covin
 * Guy Student #1 - Joseph Echavarria 102
 * Guy Student #2 - Kelvin Hodge 102
 * Girl Student #1 - Cheslee Duke
 * Girl Student #2 - Jada Keche Howard


 * Episode 3
 * Main on-end billing
 * Vellani, Lintz, Fletcher, Shroff, Kapur, Shaikh, Shah, Ononogbo, Reiner, Nakli, Bucha, Springer
 * Credits
 * Kamala Khan - Iman Vellani
 * Bruno - Matt Lintz
 * Muneeba - Zenobia Shroff
 * Yusef - Mohan Kapur
 * Aamir - Saagar Shaikh
 * Nakia - Yasmeen Fletcher
 * Kamran - Rish Shah
 * Sana - Samina Ahmed
 * Najma - Nirma Bucha
 * Sheikh Abdullah - Laith Nakli
 * DODC Agent Sadie Deever - Alysia Reiner
 * Tyesha - Travina Springer
 * Fariha - Adaku Ononogbo 103 104 105
 * Aadam - Ali Alsaleh 103 104
 * Saleem - Dan Carter 103 104
 * Auntie Ruby - Anjali Bhimani
 * Auntie Shirin - Sakina Jaffrey 103
 * Auntie Zara - Sophia Mahmud
 * Gabe - Jordan Preston Carter 103
 * Mr. Hillman - Nic Starr 103 106
 * Mrs. Hillman - Tonia Jackson 103 106
 * Crying Bride - Michelle Pokopac 103
 * Brown-Jovi Lead Singer - Tanweer Mian 103


 * Episode 4
 * Main on-end billing
 * Vellani, Lintz, Fletcher, Shroff, Shah, Ahmed, F. Khan, Bucha, Hayat, Ononogbo, Akhtar (special guest star), Knight
 * Credits
 * Kamala Khan - Iman Vellani
 * Bruno - Matt Lintz
 * Muneeba - Zenobia Shroff
 * Kamran - Rish Shah
 * Waleed - Farhan Akhtar 104
 * Hasan - Fawad Khan 104 105
 * Red Dagger - Aramis Knight 104 105 106
 * Najma - Nirma Bucha
 * Sana - Samina Ahmed
 * Fariha - Adaku Ononogbo
 * Aisha - Menwish Hayat (103 uncredited) 104 105
 * Aadam - Ali Alsaleh
 * Saleem - Dan Carter
 * Zainab - Vardah Aziz 104 105
 * Owais - Asfandyar Khan 104 105
 * Rukhsana Auntie - Anjana Ghogar 104
 * Muadhin - Zawar Jafri 104
 * Flight Passenger - Parmanand Mishra 104
 * Red Dagger's Friend - Kashan Rana 104
 * Soda Man - Rahul Mishra 104
 * Young Sana - Zion Usman 104 105
 * Heritage Walk Photographer - Om Narayan 104
 * Heritage Walk Shirt Vendor - Panjabi Yadav 104
 * Heritage Walk Sunglasses Vendor - Sukjyot Dahuja 104
 * Women at Partition - Maryam Samuel and Sheez Jehan 104
 * Mother at Partition - Kabita Mahadur 104
 * Father at Partition - Munir Christo Masih 104
 * Son at Partition - Noman Arshad 104
 * 10-Year-Old Girl at Partition - Stiash Usman 104
 * Voice of Flight Passenger - Ismail Bashey 104


 * Episode 5
 * Main on-end billing
 * Vellani, Lintz, Shroff, Shah, Ahmed, F. Khan, Bucha, Hayat, Ononogbo, Knight
 * Credits
 * Kamala Khan - Iman Vellani
 * Bruno - Matt Lintz
 * Muneeba - Zenobia Shroff
 * Kamran - Rish Shah
 * Sana - Samina Ahmed
 * Najma - Nirma Bucha
 * Red Dagger - Aramis Knight
 * Aisha - Menwish Hayat
 * Hasan - Fawad Khan
 * Fariha - Adaku Ononogbo
 * Zainab - Vardah Aziz
 * Owais - Asfandyar Khan
 * Young Sana - Zion Usman
 * Rohan - Shyam Annabathula 105
 * Voice of Rohan - Bilal Dar 105
 * Newsreel Narrator - Alastair Murden 105
 * Radio Announcer - Neil Dickson 105


 * Episode 6
 * Main on-end billing
 * Vellani, Lintz, Fletcher, Shroff, Kapur, Shaikh, Shah, Marsden, Moayed, Reiner, Nakli, Usman, Springer, Knight
 * Credits
 * Kamala Khan - Iman Vellani
 * Bruno - Matt Lintz
 * Nakia - Yasmeen Fletcher
 * Muneeba - Zenobia Shroff
 * Yusef - Mohan Kapur
 * Aamir - Saagar Shaikh
 * Kamran - Rish Shah
 * Zoe - Laurel Marsden
 * Red Dagger - Aramis Knight
 * Agent Cleary - Arian Moayed
 * Agent Deever - Alysia Reiner
 * Sheikh Abdullah - Laith Nakli
 * Najaf - Azhar Usman
 * Tyesha - Travina Springer
 * Mr. Wilson - Jordan Firstman
 * Auntie Ruby - Anjali Bhimani
 * Auntie Zara - Sophia Mahmud
 * Mr. Hillman - Nic Starr
 * Mrs. Hillman - Tonia Jackson
 * Miguel - Matthew J. Vasquez
 * Snapchat Girl #1 - Sheila Awasthi
 * Uncle Rasheed - Iyad Hajjaj
 * Hameed - Ishan Gandhi
 * Mosque Bro #1 - Yash Gajera
 * Mosque Bro #2 - Rany Abu-elinj
 * Paul - Paul Kim
 * Richardson - Jesse James Locorriere 106
 * Blockhead - Lex Lauletta 106
 * Agent Barrie - Ethan McDowel 106
 * DODC Agent #1 - Nicholas Dekay 106
 * Mosque Member - Dev Acharya 106
 * Herself - G. Willow Wilson 106

- Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Filming Locations
The mosque's exterior is the fabulous Fox Theatre in Atlanta, mostly from the Ponce & Peachtree intersection. Although the Georgian Terrace makes an appearance in views from further down Ponce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:37B0:26C0:C8D5:A190:D6C:ED33 (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source stating this so it can be included. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Rumored second season
So it was rumored a while ago in September of last year that Marvel Studios had started development on a second season of Ms. Marvel, but I realized we haven't added a section totally devoted to talking about a potential second season. Should we add one? 72.213.40.101 (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No reliable sources confirm movement on a second season so no. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You sure? I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be a community thing where everyone can add something that others might not know about. Think about it. Just how many people do you think know that there's a chance there could be a second season of Ms. Marvel? Not everyone goes on the net to see if there will be, so we have to add something here to make sure they know about the chances of a second season, don't you think? 72.213.40.101 (talk) 14:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Everyone can add something if they can cite a reliable source that verifies that something. DonQuixote (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A rumor can end up being entirely true or entirely made up, so adding rumors to Wikipedia can end up being engaging in disinformation, which could spread everywhere just because it is included here. —El Millo (talk) 16:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, what the hell is wrong with that? It's pretty much common knowledge at this point where there is a chance Ms. Marvel could get a second season, so....I think it's fine if we add a section talking about that. If you don't let certain people, including me, add a section about a possible second season, you're preventing a lot of other people from knowing that they could see Ms. Marvel get a season two. And you don't want to do that 'cause that could end up being engaging in "disinformation"? Well, SIT ON THAT FOR A WHILE! 72.213.40.101 (talk) 00:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Any "chance" you speak of is just from online chatter that anyone can put out there. Such unconfirmed info is not need and bloated compared to legitimate facts, which Wikipedia strives off of using. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You may want to check out WP:RUMOR which says to not include rumors because there's nothing concrete to back them up. -- Zoo (talk) 00:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * OP has been anon-blocked for addition of unsourced content. —El Millo (talk) 04:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Also starring
I feel like 19 names qualified as "also starring" in the introducing paragraph are probably 15 too many. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 17:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The list of starring cast members is determined by onscreen credits, not our personal opinions. See WP:TVCAST and WP:MCUTVCAST for more. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. The full cast is listed in the infobox and also detailed in its own dedicated section in the body. I see no reason why the lede should be cluttered with the same long list of names. DA1 (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The lead is supposed to summarize the contents of the article. We are not going to remove virtually all of the cast members minus Vellani just because some think it is too much. As Adam said, we go by the official cast order, not your personal preference. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The lead is supposed to have things from the body of the article. Its purpose is to summarize everything, which includes the starring cast members. -- Zoo  Blazer   17:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see listing the full cast inside the lede, if it's long, as being productive to the summary of the article. Hypothetically, if a film or series gives equal billing to 50 or 150 actors, where do you draw the line for inclusion? Serious question.
 * I came into this article purely as a reader with little foreknowledge and I found the lede to be borderline unreadable. I haven't checked other MCU articles similar to this, but if this is the standard Project MOS then that's a huge problem for readers. WP:IGNORE may need to be invoked. The current layout has the same effect as a lede with many MOS:ALTNAMES. In that scenario the names are to be listed out in a separate section and/or footnote. In the context of cast, there is already a dedicated section and infobox listing them for the readers. The two, along with the lede, are all in close proximity and, hence, seems redundant and the lede feels cluttered. Maybe an WP:RFC should be called from non-Project editors to share their input. DA1 (talk) 01:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You removed all of the starring cast members from the lead and have ignored the policies on listing cast members of a TV series and WP:LOCALCONSENSUS for this to be retained in this way. Not all readers (especially mobile viewers) read the infoboxes of these articles, so we absolutely should be introducing who stars in this series as the main cast here just as much as we do in the infobox. It is consistent with the main cast order in the Cast section. I'm sorry if you found it difficult to read, though it is rather straightforward and clear, so I'm not sure how this is a pressing issue when it is still legible. We are not just going to ignore all rules because two editors don't like the TV cast policy, and quite frankly, starting an RFC over this would be fruitless. Go look at good articles like Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame for film examples where this is also done and acceptable. The same applies to this series. It's not like we are listing person who appears, just those who are officially credited as the starring cast. We are also not going to pick and choose who to keep or remove, as that is blatantly against policy and frowned upon. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think the credits should be removed from the lead, but there are perhaps other ways to present that info to make it more readable (MOS:SEAOFBLUE concerns). WP:MCUTVCAST suggests blending the TV & Film MOS for MCU show credits so I think the MOS:FILMLEAD guidance could be a useful approach to the lead. It states "in terms of plot, the general premise should be briefly described, along with any actors' roles within it". The lead could be revised to something like: Iman Vellani stars as Kamala Khan, with Matt Lintz and Yasmeen Fletcher as her friends Bruno Carrelli and Nakia Bahadir and with Zenobia Shroff, Mohan Kapur, and Saagar Shaikh as members of the immediate Khan family. The cast also includes [...]}.
 * I will also caution against assuming there's a local consensus; this is the article's first discussion on the topic so the consensus is developing right now. Also, the MCU project doesn't have any specific guidance on article leads so there's no project consensus to refer to. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is clear consensus across the MCU articles for how this is apporached, and there would need to be a good reason to treat this article differently from all of the others. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have links to an RfC or other project discussions that explain how the MCU project has determined how credits should be presented in the lead? (If so, why isn't this in the project's style guide?). Those would be a good way to determine how a project decided on a local consensus and if it is applicable in this situation. But "this is simply the pattern all MCU articles follow only know by the MCU editors" without discussion isn't a local consensus.
 * Additionally, WP:LOCALCONSENSUS states: "For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope". In this case, there is real issue with the MOS:SEAOFBLUE that perhaps has not come up in other articles because the cast list here is so long which is "good reason" to find a solution in the presentation style. Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * MOS:SEAOFBLUE does not apply because we are talking about a list, not multiple links that can be mistaken as one. The guideline for listing cast in the lead of MCU articles is the same as those for infoboxes (at WP:MCUFILMCAST and WP:MCUTVCAST), it is not expected that these be different from one another. And the one time that we have used a shorter list for the lead and infobox vs. the cast section (which is what I think you are suggesting here) was Infinity War, which has 27 cast members but only 19 in the lead and infobox. Ms. Marvel has 20 so it is basically on par with Infinity War short list already. We also don't have an objective short list for this show like we do for Infinity War. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not making an argument for a shorter list. I'm making an argument for how to state all the credits in a more readable fashion within the lead (as seen in the example sentence I listed above which starts with "Iman Vellani") specifically by following the guidance at MOS:FILMLEAD on bringing in plot when listing the actor credits in the lead. Neither project links you listed mention lead format (there's basically no project guidance on lead paragraphs outside of WP:MCUVARIANTS which mentions one type of sentence that isn't relevant for credits). Sariel Xilo (talk) 21:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The format of leads in general for MCU articles are very standardised, there is no precedent (or need) to change that. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Articles are looked at in a case-by-case basis so while this issue may not have previously been discussed at other MCU articles, editors here have decided there's an issue so having a discussion is part of consensus-building. "This is the way the MCU project has always done it" isn't a very compelling argument (WP:OTHERCONTENT; WP:WHATABOUT is AfD focused but also might be useful to think about). Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Rephrasing

 * (Current lead) Iman Vellani stars as Kamala Khan, with Matt Lintz, Yasmeen Fletcher, Zenobia Shroff, Mohan Kapur, Saagar Shaikh, Laurel Marsden, Azhar Usman, Rish Shah, Arian Moayed, Alysia Reiner, Laith Nakli, Nimra Bucha, Travina Springer, Adaku Ononogbo, Samina Ahmad, Fawad Khan, Mehwish Hayat, Farhan Akhtar, and Aramis Knight also starring.


 * 1) Iman Vellani stars as Kamala Khan, with Matt Lintz and Yasmeen Fletcher as her friends Bruno Carrelli and Nakia Bahadir and with Zenobia Shroff, Mohan Kapur, and Saagar Shaikh as members of the immediate Khan family. The cast also includes Laurel Marsden, Azhar Usman, Rish Shah, Arian Moayed, Alysia Reiner, Laith Nakli, Nimra Bucha, Travina Springer, Adaku Ononogbo, Samina Ahmad, Fawad Khan, Mehwish Hayat, Farhan Akhtar, and Aramis Knight.
 * 2) Iman Vellani stars as Kamala Khan, with Matt Lintz and Yasmeen Fletcher as her friends Bruno Carrelli and Nakia Bahadir and with Zenobia Shroff, Mohan Kapur, and Saagar Shaikh as members of the immediate Khan family. The cast includes Laurel Marsden, Azhar Usman, Rish Shah, Arian Moayed, Alysia Reiner, Laith Nakli, Travina Springer as characters in the Jersey City community. As Kamala's powers develop, she encounters the Clandestines, portrayed by Nimra Bucha and Adaku Ononogbo. Kamala's journey takes her to Pakistan where she discovers her family history during the partition of India – Samina Ahmad, Fawad Khan, and Mehwish Hayat star as her extended family. She also meets the vigilantes known as the Red Daggers, portrayed by Farhan Akhtar, and Aramis Knight.
 * 3) Iman Vellani stars as Kamala Khan, with Matt Lintz and Yasmeen Fletcher as her friends Bruno Carrelli and Nakia Bahadir and with Zenobia Shroff, Mohan Kapur, and Saagar Shaikh as members of the immediate Khan family. As Kamala's powers develop, she encounters Kamran (Rish Shah) who introduces her to the Clandestines led by his mother Najma (Nimra Bucha). Kamala's journey takes her to Pakistan where she discovers her family history during the partition of India and truth of her great-grandmother Aisha's (Mehwish Hayat) disappearance. She also meets Kareem (Aramis Knight), a member of the vigilantes known as the Red Daggers who oppose the Clandestines.

I've drafted two lead ideas which bring in plot (as suggested at MOS:FILMLEAD). The first adheres strictly to the credit order; the second flips two credits in order to keep characters within their respective in setting groups (ie. Nimra Bucha as the leader of Clandestines, Travina Springer as a Jersey City character). Looking at MOS:TVLEAD & MOS:TVCAST, credit order is focused on the cast listing section & infobox so I think grouping roles together by in-universe group to outline plot in the lead is acceptable. My personal preference is #2 because I think it does a better job at using plot and addressing some of the above concerns about a giant list by breaking it up into readable chunks. Feel free to add alterations or suggest other ideas above. Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I decided to look at some WP:GOOD & WP:FA TV articles with large casts to see what other editors have done. Articles such as Fringe (TV series), American Horror Story, Game of Thrones don't list the full main cast in the lead; Wizards of Waverly Place has a plot focused lead without listing the full main cast. Following that example, I removed the general Jersey City characters entirely and trimmed the rest to focus on the show's plot in #3. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * All of these suggestions add way too much additional unnecessary information about plot and characters. Given Vellani is the start of the series, we not she stars as Kamala. It is then helpful to note the other starring actors (and just that) following. Are brief summary/premise at the end of the first paragraph only mentions Kamala so there is no need to expand upon who everyone else is playing. The leads of the MCU Disney+ series have evolved from that used at Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (a Good article) and Marvel Television's other series, so I don't see why this one needs to be altered simply because there are "too many" starring actors on this one. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree that additional plot details are unnecessary; the only plot detail in the current lead is "Kamala Khan, a 16-year-old fangirl of the Avengers who struggles to fit in until she gains her own powers" which doesn't really tell you much about the show. Two of the examples I listed (Fringe (TV series) & Wizards of Waverly Place) include plot details in slightly different styles and I think either could be a good model for the amount of plot the Ms. Marvel lead should have. Even your AoS example includes more plot details ("S.H.I.E.L.D. agents deal with various unusual cases and enemies, including Hydra, Inhumans, Life Model Decoys, alien species such as the Kree and Chronicoms, and time travel") than the Ms. Marvel lead has. Both the Clandestines & the journey to Pakistan are key parts of the plot of this show and should be mentioned in some fashion. While I don't have much experience with FAs, some of the feedback I received highlighted the importance of including plot details in the lead so I don't think this unusual for TV articles.
 * As an aside, if MCU project editors want to update their style guide and include details on how the project settled on different conventions, that would be awesome. Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)