Talk:Mu'awiya I

Muawiyah's Role in the Battle of the Camel
I would like to urge ☿ Apaugasma and others to not delete my sentence on Muawiyah's role in the Battle of the Camel. Muawiyah did not intervene militarily to assist either side in the battle, which in turn meant that Ali did not face a war on two fronts, one of Basra and the other in Syria. It is a historical fact that Muawiyah did not send forces or any military assistance during the Battle. He did also not declare war on either side and remained largely neutral, which is seen in historical sources which do not expand on the role of Muawiyah in the lead-up to the battle. Islamdefence (talk) 19:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Per Verifiability, we need you to wp:cite a wp:reliable source for any info you add here.
 * Re, unfortunately https://www.al-islam.org is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia. What we need in this context is scholarly material published by an academic press (please see WP:SOURCETYPES). ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 19:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you comsider it false that Muawiyah didn't intervene miliarily? If not, please support my edit. Islamdefence (talk) 19:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It is irrelevant whether one considers your proposition true or false. The point is, we don't add anything just because it is true. We write based on what matters and what matters is decided by RS, not by us. There would be thousands of other things about Mu'awiya that are true, but we don't add them simply because they are true. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 21:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would argue that Muawiyah's decision-making in the lead-up to the Battle of the Camel and during it are often over-looked, but are very important. His decision to remain neutral despite his oppposition to Caliph Ali is something that can be analysed extensively. In the context of the time, it ensured that Ali's Caliphate did not face a two-front war and thus enabled Ali to fight both forces separately, first in Basra and then march to the Euphrates at Siffin. Thus, Muawiyah's non-partisan role is extremely useful to determine Muawiyah's thoughts of both sides as well as the course of the battle itself, as it ensured that Ali's regiments were not encircled in Iraq. Islamdefence (talk) 15:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You can argue in a research journal. Here, one thousand arguments that are not backed by RS are worth nil. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 15:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

kindly add Muawiya A.S wars list
kindly add Muawiya A.S wars list 2400:ADC7:3111:A00:38E5:EB2C:9FBE:8BFC (talk) 05:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

why you added fake allegations about hazrat Muawiya R.A
some traditions hold him to have been born of an illegitimate relationship between Abu Sufyan's wife Hind and Muhammad SAW uncle abbas"

are you mad wikipedia?

Muawiya R.A is the son of hind R.A and her husband hazrat abu sufyan R.A

why you told lie about Muhammad SAW uncle abbas R.A? 🤬🤬🤬

hundred of millions muslims hurt after read your fake allegations about hazrat Muawiya R.A

Kindly re-edit Muawiya l page and remove fake allegations 2400:ADC7:3111:A00:5131:389B:52EB:20E0 (talk) 09:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)