Talk:Mu isamaa, mu õnn ja rõõm

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There exist controversy(?) in relation to the Finnish Anthem, that sometimes during its use in other countries on ceremonies (like sports awards) wrong melody is played.

There is delicate difference, as in Estonian version the melody is supposed to be repeated three times and the Finnish lasts only two times.

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Having spent time in Tallinn in the winter, small hut and crawl seems so much more apposite... :-) user:sjc
 * "Small hut and crawl" has nothing to do with patriotism. You should take all the accents out of the song and translate the unaccented lyrics into English. Scott Gall 02:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Which will look a bit like this:


 * Mu isamaa, mu onn ja room,
 * kui kaunis oled sa!
 * Ei leia mina iial taal
 * see suure, laia ilma paal,
 * mis mul nii armas oleks ka,
 * kui sa, mu isamaa!


 * Sa oled mind ju sunnitand
 * ja ules kasvatand;
 * sind tanan mina alati
 * ja jaan sull' truuiks surmani,
 * mul koige armsam oled sa,
 * mu kallis isamaa!


 * Su ule Jumal valvaku,
 * mu armas isamaa!
 * Ta olgu sinu kaitseja
 * ja votku rohkest onnista,
 * mis iial ette votad sa,
 * mu kallis isamaa!

(I want to see what it means with all the accents taken out. It's too bad that only a million inhabitants of the world can understand either version.) Scott Gall 11:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

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Actually, "mu onn ja room" does not translate to "small hut and crawl". (To) crawl is "roomama" in Estonian, that's abit wrong. But well, we can leave it that way. To Scott Gall: When the accents are taken out the words don't mean anything. ;) Curgny 21:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Onn= Õnn= Luck (what actually is meant with the word -õnn- in the hymn is joy, the word has 2 meanings in estonian), Room=Rõõm=Happiness

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this sentence: This also has the same melody of the counterpart of Estonia. is redundant in my oppinion. 80.235.71.160 18:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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The word "adaption" is misleading in this article as it makes no difference between the melody and lyrics. The melody was yes adopted but lyrics are Estonian original. Vulc (talk) 07:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

— I fixed it now. Vulc (talk) 10:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

IPA transcription
can someone check if the IPA transcriptions for the Estonian lyrics are correct? because it doesn't seem so correct. written by 208.54.39.161 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Translations and citations needed
added citation needed tags for the literal English and the Võro translation.

The literal translation was added here by an IP. If it's their translation, it does not need a citation (a professional translation cited to a source would be preferable, though).

Same goes for the Võro translation added by, here. The additional question is, why is a Võro translation supposedly relevant here? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * This is also presumably what meant with the original research tag? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:38, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes indeed, . Many thanks to you for picking up on this. These types of national anthem articles have been on my 'to do' list for ages. Unfortunately, I've not been well and haven't had the strength to pursue the matter.Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed the Võro translation, the cn tag from the literal translation, and the OR tag. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I was getting pulled into edit wars over this issue in the not so distant past, and my health simply didn't permit me to focus on something that I would addressed without blinking an eye. Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

IPA transcription
I removed the IPA transcription because I see various issues with it. I'm not knowledgable enough to fix it myself. Here's the removed transcription for reference:

For example, in [ˈʋɑ̝l.ʋɑ̝.ku] and [ˈol.k̬u], the first has a long (grade 2) [k] while the second has short (grade 1). So "valvaku" should be something like [ˈʋɑ̝lʋɑ̝k:u], or perhaps ˈʋɑ̝l.ʋɑ̝k.ku in analogy with [ˈet.te̞], [ˈkɑ̝l.lis].

In general, Wikipedia / Wiktionary has many issues with IPA for Estonian, and unfortunately I don't know how to consistently resolve them. Mats84 (talk) 08:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)