Talk:Mudéjar art

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 January 2019 and 8 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Hayleypierpont.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 04:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Untitled
Mudejar is an artistic style and the introduction paragraphs is talking mainly about other issues not so relevant which happen centuries later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.194.229 (talk) 10:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Category: Islamic architecture
I slapped this category on because, I thought it was a moorish inspired architecture therefore i assumed a few things. I wanted to cross-link it appropiately. If this is not the right cross-link please suggest to me an appropriate category within which to put it that would allow people looking for the islamic influences on architectural styles to find it. --Tigeroo 07:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is more like an hybrid style. If you look at most of the mudejar buildings, their general plan and spatial organization is typically christian and European (of course it is the case for churches but also palaces). There are also many European features (one example : the windows of the Alcazar of Seville). On the other hand, those buildings are often massively decorated with purely islamic features like Arabesques or the distinctive style of the archs. Also, notice that the Islamic influence is much more visible in some mudejar buildings than in others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.68.28.30 (talk) 12:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Portugal
I added some words on the Mudéjar in Portugal, emphasising the Iberian character of the style. fsouza

Vernacular architecture?
I fail to understand why mudéjar is called "vernacular architecture" in the article, as this style was used, says the article, in many buildings, such as cathedrals or palaces, which can hardly be considered "vernacular" if this means that they "use locally available resources to address local needs" and are "in contrast to planned architecture by architects" (see Vernacular architecture). The style may have started as an adaptation of Romanesque to the local needs but if this and the lack of known architects in many of the buildings justify that it be called "vernacular", then so should be Romanesque and Gothic in most cases, not to mention, for instance, pre-columbian architecture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.49.207.117 (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. Mudéjar was a style, often mixed with others, used to construct palaces, cathedrals, and humble parishes and houses. And the point about the unknown architect styles convinces me. I would remove the category.--Garcilaso (talk) 12:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

meaning of mudejar
I think that "مدجن" "mudejjen" is better translated as "domesticated" (adjective from the noun tadjeen, meaning "demostication"). In Arabic, the word is usually used in the context of domesticating wild animals into farms. When the adjective is applied to humans, it may come to mean harmless, pettified, pussified, ...etc.

The double meaning does not sound right. I do not think the word was ever used in the context of being "mudejjen" into Islam, because the word is considered derogatory and as a result would not be used in a religious context.

Split
Two different topics. See Q15011985. --Igel B TyMaHe (talk) 09:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with splitting, there's clearly two different topics here. How to go about it? HaEr48 (talk) 05:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Capitalisation
Throughout this article, Mudéjar when used as an adjective – e.g. Mudéjar style – is capitalised. I don't think this is correct, and it should be lower case. Without intervening dissension, I'll change it in seven days. Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 11:57, wikitime=  03:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Mudéjar. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060517164716/http://www.pliegosdeopinion.net/pdo8/barandal8/ensayo8/mudejar.htm to http://www.pliegosdeopinion.net/pdo8/barandal8/ensayo8/mudejar.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 10:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

External links modified (February 2018)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Mudéjar. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070313154659/http://www.bragancanet.pt/patrimonio/avelas.htm to http://www.bragancanet.pt/patrimonio/avelas.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 16:55, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Split needed
After the last wave of editions, it is becoming obvious that this page should be split in two: one about the people called Mudejares and one about Mudejar art. The connection between both is probably not so intimate as the common name might suggest. --Jotamar (talk) 16:45, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Grenck (talk) 21:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Mudejar art and Mudejar people
As the lead clearly states, the name Mudéjar art was coined in the 19th century, long after the Mudéjar people had vanished. The name for the art style caught on, but that shouldn't deceive us into believing that the authors of the art works were necessarily part of the ethnic group. The authors could have been:
 * Mudejars
 * Muslims from the remaining Muslim kingdoms in Iberia (or Africa), hired by Christians
 * Christians who had lived and worked in Muslim kingdoms (Mozarabs)
 * Christians who had contact with Muslims and had learned their techniques
 * Anyone who had learned from any of the previous groups, including perhaps even minorities such as the Jews

Having high in this page a History of the Mudejars section just misleads readers into thinking that the art style was exclusive to this ethno-religious group, which is unlikely and in any case as far as I know not documented anywhere. --Jotamar (talk) 20:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

By the way, the Literature section is even less relevant. --Jotamar (talk) 20:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * With no reply in almost one month, my first idea was to delete the entire section, as argued above, but I'll try to do something less radical. --Jotamar (talk) 22:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)