Talk:Muhammad Habib Khan Tarin

Comments and disruptive editing
Assalam alekum. I have left a message on the talk page of article Tareen and also on the talk page of User:Azmarai76. I have also checked this article carefully and will make some edits to clarify the position and remove any basic confusions. However it is generally a good article with due and acceptable citations etc. There seems to be no proof either that this person is not a Tareen (Tarin) tribesman as user Azmarai76 claims a separate Gujjar origin for him. Can anyone explain the exact details or background of this Tareen-Gujjar matter? MalikIH (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2017 (UTC)MalikIH

Tareen Gujar matter
This family is Kathana and Busra Gujjars who latter were able to take the identity as Tareens as the Tareen Chief Sardar Muhammad Khan was hanged to death by sikhs.

An elder of this family worked on road construction with British and they were gracious enough to elevate their status and get them rid off Kot Najeebullah Gujjar Sardars. Azmarai76 (talk) 16:55, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Unreferenced article and not authentic
None of the links are working Azmarai76 (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Use of Fake or unrelated Material
The page is full of citations and fake references. Just upon checking a few one can see that none includes the info that has been claimed on this page. The book Soldier Sahibs seems to have been quoted on more than 10 pages by the same self proclaimed mystic and author. Citations like census report, a BBC News item aren't related to the page content in any form. Azmarai76 (talk) 06:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Soldier sahibs who made NWest F
Atleast one should be regular in taking his medicine. Azmarai76 (talk) 13:54, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Citation for Nawab
Citation asked for the title Nawab isn't accessible. Like no Colonial or even Sikh records have mentioned this person to have taken part in campaign led by Sardar Muhammad Khan Tareen in Gandgarhi..... but hot wind, one can't even expect this level of forgery from someone who claims to be a religious leader of cult. My message to him would be explode son and run. Azmarai76 (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Self generated references
The references used for citations in this essay from #10 to #26 seem to be not accessible online and created by someone related to this personality. These should either be removed or given online links to for cross checking. I can delete them now but I will leave it to others to fix this issue. Azmarai76 (talk) 19:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Repeated insulting and negative comments by editor
Hello it seems that the editor 'Azmarai76' has nothing better to do except make repeated insulting/negative comments about this article and several other related articles of Tareen, Abdul Majid Khan Tarin and Talokar (village) etc. He seems to have some sort of personal grudge or issue with these related topics and/or people of this family? It is a real waste of time to keep on checking and rechecking these pages for this sort of vandalism and it disrupts my work on other articles that need more work. I have left a couple of messages on this person's talk page and I do hope he will cease and desist this disruptive editing. AsadUK200 (talk) 21:37, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

AsadUK200 I don't have animosity with anyone nor do am of the type who would make two hundred IDs over Social Media to look something. I have told you no issues but asking for verifiable sources is what people do here and is very much under Wikipedia Sources. If I had animosity with anyone I would pick someone and you don't need to worry about it..... but like I told you stop vandalism on other pages as I see you have read well but little updation is what I would definitely recommend. Secondly, stop vandalism on other pages and enjoy being here at these, I don't mind. Azmarai76 (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Onething if you find a reliable record of this personality being on campaign against Brits everyone here would want to have a look at it here. If this personality was frankly befriended by a British Officer any record of him being a dear friend would also be available... Like I told you I just asked for those and haven't done any disruptive editing but for now I will leave these pages to you, be happy serving these as they are. Plus no disruptive and insulting vandalism from you on other pages will be appreciated. Azmarai76 (talk) 18:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources
I was going to tag the article as "relying too much on primary sources", but on reflection I changed it to "relying on a single source". I think the problem is perhaps a combination of both of these. The primary sources involved are (1) James Abbott's papers, which are unpublished MSS at the British Library; (2) Johnston (1874); and (3) several gazette notices. The predominant secondary source is Tarin and Najumddin's 2010 biographical article in Durbar. Almost the whole article is referenced to these sources, the exceptions being one line out of the regimantal history, and a reference to Charles Allen's Soldier Sahibs. But this last appears to give rather general background, is Muhammad Habib Khan mentioned by name in Allen?

It all seems rather thin. If the subject of the article is notable, I would hope for more mentions of him in historical works beyond the narrow selection given here. FrankP (talk) 18:58, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello User:FrankP, I dont think Muhammad Habib Khan is mentioned in Allen directly. However, apart from McRae's regimental history and Tarin and Najumddin's here are a very few secondary sources available and most of these are I believe cited in the Tarin and Najumddin article in Durbar, IMHS journal. I will add these and edit this accordingly. AsadUK200 (talk) 05:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)AsadUK200
 * Ok. Is there any more bibliographical info available for Johnston (1874), e.g. publisher? I'm unable to trace this book at the BL, Google Books or WorldCat. FrankP (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2020 (UTC)