Talk:Muhammad Najati Sidqi

Problems with this article, rated as 'start class' when it was completed

 * The article is developing, but which is quite incomplete. It might or might not cite adequate reliable sources.


 * Providing references to reliable sources should come first; the article also needs substantial improvement in content and organisation. Also improve the grammar, spelling, writing style and improve the jargon use.

Query. Who's the dumbcluck who wrote that any start class article requires improvement in 'jargon use'?Nishidani (talk) 21:09, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it means that the use of jargon should be reduced? MPS1992 (talk) 21:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The qualty and importance scales could really use some work... I think the example articles may have been edited and no longer fit their supposed categories. But when it comes to "Start", isn't it pretty much anything better than a stub that could still use major work? TrickyH (talk) 21:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, mate, well, you've an uneasy patch to hoe, because the details on the pages re, at least, start articles are not very cogent, or scientific. Evidently neglect, and someone up in the higher echelons should try to get them organized with more formal criteria listed. As to major work in the offing, these are minor articles, about little known realities, which are underreported, or have a restricted interest for those who write the sources we use. I think it's wrong to rate an article as 'start' class, if it has more or less exhausted the available sources. Yesterday, I happened to mention Elhanan son of Jair when someone touched on the topic of giants in mythology, and mentioned Goliath, and gave a talk about him which bored people from dessert to coffee probably, but put me in the mood for a post-prandial snooze having exhausted the topic. I then looked up to see how wiki handled it. Sparse. There's fuck all really to say about him. You could expand it with about 8 or 9 sources regarding whether the Goliath he killed was the original Goliath, and the Goliath David killed the same bloke, only that the David  story is a pure invention  expanding on Elhanan's kill. But a paragraph on that, and you run out of things to say. So if anyone wrote it up, it would never get beyond 2 paragraphs - and would be complete, and comprehensive, and, if done neatly, would be GA, despite its diminutive length.Nishidani (talk) 21:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Would you be able to nominate such an article for the process whereby it is declared a Good Article? I have never done it so I do not know much about it. MPS1992 (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I could, I guess, but never would do it. Any process outside of actually writing articles is, I find, tiresome, though sometimes necessary (arbitration etc.) My principle is to keep GA standards in mind while writing those articles where conditions allow one to work in relative peace. Once I've exhausted my sources, that's it. Having the stamp of approval's nice, but it's a bit like life generally. To use an analogy: the sturdier the 'ethical' code one might live by, the less one would need to find reassurances from other people. Seeking reassurance, or recognition is a sign, as often as not, at least in adults, of insecurity. It's nicer, picking up a lost wallet in the street, not to leave your name or address at the police-station when you drop it in. If you can be traced, things get embarrassing for all concerned.Nishidani (talk) 22:18, 18 July 2016 (UTC)