Talk:Muhammad al-Jawad/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 16:24, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Will gladly have a look over the following few days.
 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Overall a very well-written article with impeccable sourcing, I am really happy with the work done. Some comments follow below, mostly for prose style and context: Will continue with the rest later. Constantine  ✍  11:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC) That's it for a first pass. Once these issues are addressed, I will do another pass. Constantine  ✍  15:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lede
 * suggest linking to Political quietism in Islam
 * Suggest adding 'Shia' after and 'caliph' after
 * Link Islamic law, Ali al-Rida, umm walad, suggest relinking Iraq to Lower Mesopotamia, link Kazimayn at the first mention
 * reads odd. I suggest something like 'Born in Medina in 810-811, Muhammad al-Jawad was the son of the eighth Imam, Ali al-Rida. In 817, the Abbasid caliph al-Ma'mun summoned al-Rida to Khorasan and designated him as the heir apparent, possibly to mitigate the frequent Shia revolts.'
 * 'turned to al-Jawad's uncle, Ahmad ibn Musa al-Kazim, for leadership'
 * 'the rival Waqifite sect', whether they are extinct or not is not relevant in the lede as they are not the subject here; their relation to al-Jawad is.
 * 'In 830, al-Ma'mun summoned al-Jawad to Baghdad and ...' and recommend starting a new paragraph there as well.
 * 'about the manner of his death'
 * among Twelver Shi'ites or generally?
 * Titles
 * assume that the average reader knows nothing about the Twelve Imams, so something like 'his predecessor, the fifth imam, Muhammad al-Baqir'
 * Link Shia and Ali al-Rida as the first occurrence of the terms in the main article
 * Completely optional, but I would recommend adding the Arabic terms here.
 * Life
 * To avoid confusion, I suggest using only 'Muhammad al-Jawad' or plain 'al-Jawad' for the article subject
 * as above, something like 'his grandfather, the seventh imam Musa al-Kazim (d. 799)'
 * clarify that the former is in the Hijri calendar by adding AH, and 'CE' after the Common Era date. Do so for all subsequent Hijri/CE pairings
 * provide a CE equivalent
 * add CE year
 * italicize
 * Add Muhammad to
 * 'al-Jawad's mother'
 * link umm walad as the first occurrence of the term in the main article, and heir apparent to Wali al-Ahd
 * decapitalize 'caliph' as it is used descriptively here, and link to Abbasid Caliphate
 * The uninitiated won't know who the Alids were and why they were in rivalry with the Abbasids. I would suggest adding a brief explanation in the 'Birth' section. E.g. 'Al-Jawad was an Alid, a descendant of Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661) and Fatima (d. 632), who were the cousin and the daughter of the Islamic prophet, respectively. The Shia movement had always chosen their leaders ('imams') from this line, even though actual rule over the Muslim world was in the hands of different dynasties like the Umayyads and the Abbasids. Al-Jawad's father, Ali al-Rida, was recognized as the eighth imam by most Shia...'to say that there are Sunni historians that corroborate this, then rephrase accordingly.
 * clarify 'Abbasids' to 'members of the Abbasid dynasty', and 'nationalists' is clearly not the right term here. Especially or the latter, a brief explanation of the reason for their opposition is warranted.
 * 'These revolted and installed al-Ma'mun's uncle, Ibrahim ibn al-Mahdi, as an anti-caliph in Baghdad'
 * 'vizier' does not need italics, as it is an English word. Do link it to Vizier (Abbasid Caliphate) though.
 * I suggest rather 'Modern scholars', as that is the decisive attribute, they are (presumably) non-partisan historians.
 * add their occupation as it is important to understand why they are relevant as a source, e.g. 'the Twelver theologian al-Shaykh al-Mufid'. Conversely, when they have been introduced, it is not necessary to repeat their affiliation (e.g. ).
 * ditto, who are they? A simple description like 'modern historian' or 'German Islamicist' would be enough.
 * be consistent in using 'ibn' or 'bin', later on there is even a.
 * 'but the 17th-century hadith collection Bihar al-anwar'
 * who are they? e.g. 'companions of Muhammad and early caliphs' or something similar (otherwise 'the two caliphs' is unclear)
 * between al-Ma'mun or between al-Rida? And add that the book is from the 10th century.
 * canonical according to whom?
 * was Qom an important Shia center in the early 9th century? My impression is that this was the case towards the end of the century...
 * I guess this is the modern Persian form of the name (esp. since it comes from Iranica). Pretty sure the original Arabic form should be 'Yahya ibn Imran'.
 * since the marriage has been extensively reported on previously, it does not need to be reintroduced here
 * This is properly covered in the 'Death' section
 * Introduce to the reader
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * Imamate
 * The section depends very heavily on a single source (Wardrop). Questions of availability aside, why is her opinion/view to be relied on? I note that for a GA, this is not a problem as a PhD thesis (in a university with a reputation for excellence in Islamic studies) is definitely a WP:RS, but it will come up in a FA review.
 * His political quietism would probably fit better at 'Role in Shia revolts'.
 * Link 'nass (Islam)', 'hujja', 'heresiographies', relink Bahrain to Eastern Arabia
 * is not an Arabic name, or at least horribly transliterated.
 * add that they were sons of Ali, and their numbering as imams.
 * 'naming his uncles...' 'his uncle'
 * 'related Quranic verse 19:12'
 * Instead of the rather vague, better 'Abbasid empire'
 * is this a reference to the khums?
 * Add around  (uncapitalized),, and , and provide a brief gloss for these terms on their first occurrence.
 * I assume this means 'within the Abbasid government'?
 * As above,, and  are Persian forms of Arabic names. For consistency, use the latter.
 * is used in this section, and in 'Shia revolts'. Standardize to the former.
 * The 'Role in Shia revolts' seems to replicate a lot of content already covered in the previous sections. Strongly recommend merging it there if it is missing, otherwise striking this section, or summarizing it briefly to convey the sense that although he is generally regarded as a quietist figure, Shia revolts broke out in Qom during his time, but his exact role in them is unclear.
 * which occultation? what is an occultation?
 * Gloss and
 * Works
 * Would suggest renaming the section to 'Legacy' as most of his work is known through others
 * Decapitalize Khums and Zakat, and use the transliteration templates.
 * Link to Qa'im Al Muhammad
 * References
 * Add ISBNs, ISSNs or OCLCs as relevant for Baghestani, Bayhom-Daou, Donaldson, and any other work missing such
 * 'Kohlberg, E. (2022).' and 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' are the same article in the same work. Suggest standardizing to 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' since that is the correct date ('First published online: 2012'). Ditto for Lewis, B. (2022)/Lewis, B. (2012).
 * Kennedy 2015 is the Third Edition of that work, Tabatai 1975 is the Second Edition.
 * Find the actual author and chapter reference for 'Holt, Lambton & Lewis 1970'
 * Note that Wardrop is a PhD Thesis, as other types of thesis are not permissible as reference.


 * Hi, thanks very much for the comments. This is valuable feedback for us. I'll go over them soon. Albertatiran (talk) 17:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Response
Hi, ! Here is the point-by-point response that and I have prepared. Looking forward to your feedback. Thanks again. Albertatiran (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

, thanks for the additional feedback. Our second set of responses has been added below and we have also revised the article accordingly. Looking forward to your suggestions. Albertatiran (talk) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Will continue with the rest later. Constantine  ✍  11:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC) I've responded to some outstanding issues above. Some of them are suggestions regarding prose, you are free to ignore them. I will now do a source review for coverage and copyvio, and after the remaining issues are addressed, I will pass the article. Constantine  ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Lede
 * suggest linking to Political quietism in Islam
 * Suggest adding 'Shia' after and 'caliph' after
 * Link Islamic law, Ali al-Rida, umm walad, suggest relinking Iraq to Lower Mesopotamia, link Kazimayn at the first mention
 * reads odd. I suggest something like 'Born in Medina in 810-811, Muhammad al-Jawad was the son of the eighth Imam, Ali al-Rida. In 817, the Abbasid caliph al-Ma'mun summoned al-Rida to Khorasan and designated him as the heir apparent, possibly to mitigate the frequent Shia revolts.'
 * 'turned to al-Jawad's uncle, Ahmad ibn Musa al-Kazim, for leadership'
 * 'the rival Waqifite sect', whether they are extinct or not is not relevant in the lede as they are not the subject here; their relation to al-Jawad is.
 * 'In 830, al-Ma'mun summoned al-Jawad to Baghdad and ...' and recommend starting a new paragraph there as well.
 * Slightly pedantic, but when not discussing his role as an imam of the Twelver community, it is better to not call him that, but by his name (or sobriquet). The WP:Voice of Wikipedia must not take position on him being the Imam. Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That is fine. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 'about the manner of his death'
 * among Twelver Shi'ites or generally?
 * Titles
 * assume that the average reader knows nothing about the Twelve Imams, so something like 'his predecessor, the fifth imam, Muhammad al-Baqir'
 * Link Shia and Ali al-Rida as the first occurrence of the terms in the main article
 * Completely optional, but I would recommend adding the Arabic terms here.
 * As I said, optional. But I did not mean adding the Arabic names everywhere, only in this section, as it deals with, well, his names... Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That is fine. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 'about the manner of his death'
 * among Twelver Shi'ites or generally?
 * Titles
 * assume that the average reader knows nothing about the Twelve Imams, so something like 'his predecessor, the fifth imam, Muhammad al-Baqir'
 * Link Shia and Ali al-Rida as the first occurrence of the terms in the main article
 * Completely optional, but I would recommend adding the Arabic terms here.
 * As I said, optional. But I did not mean adding the Arabic names everywhere, only in this section, as it deals with, well, his names... Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Link Shia and Ali al-Rida as the first occurrence of the terms in the main article
 * Completely optional, but I would recommend adding the Arabic terms here.
 * As I said, optional. But I did not mean adding the Arabic names everywhere, only in this section, as it deals with, well, his names... Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said, optional. But I did not mean adding the Arabic names everywhere, only in this section, as it deals with, well, his names... Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said, optional. But I did not mean adding the Arabic names everywhere, only in this section, as it deals with, well, his names... Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Life
 * To avoid confusion, I suggest using only 'Muhammad al-Jawad' or plain 'al-Jawad' for the article subject
 * I appreciate the difficulty, and think you have found a nice balance. Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * as above, something like 'his grandfather, the seventh imam Musa al-Kazim (d. 799)'
 * clarify that the former is in the Hijri calendar by adding AH, and 'CE' after the Common Era date. Do so for all subsequent Hijri/CE pairings
 * provide a CE equivalent
 * add CE year
 * This was fixed, but to clarify why I insisted on the year: Islamic years usually fall in two CE years, and the average reader probably won't know the Islamic calendar to guess when Rajab is... Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Albertatiran (talk) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * italicize
 * Add Muhammad to
 * 'al-Jawad's mother'
 * l ink umm walad as the first occurrence of the term in the main article, and heir apparent to Wali al-Ahd
 * decapitalize 'caliph' as it is used descriptively here, and link to Abbasid Caliphate
 * The uninitiated won't know who the Alids were and why they were in rivalry with the Abbasids. I would suggest adding a brief explanation in the 'Birth' section. E.g. 'Al-Jawad was an Alid, a descendant of Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661) and Fatima (d. 632), who were the cousin and the daughter of the Islamic prophet, respectively. The Shia movement had always chosen their leaders ('imams') from this line, even though actual rule over the Muslim world was in the hands of different dynasties like the Umayyads and the Abbasids. Al-Jawad's father, Ali al-Rida, was recognized as the eighth imam by most Shia...'to say that there are Sunni historians that corroborate this, then rephrase accordingly.
 * clarify 'Abbasids' to 'members of the Abbasid dynasty', and 'nationalists' is clearly not the right term here. Especially or the latter, a brief explanation of the reason for their opposition is warranted.
 * Fine. Not opposed to re-adding the removed part, as long as it is explained and avoids anachronisms. Constantine  ✍  19:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 'These revolted and installed al-Ma'mun's uncle, Ibrahim ibn al-Mahdi, as an anti-caliph in Baghdad'
 * 'vizier' does not need italics, as it is an English word. Do link it to Vizier (Abbasid Caliphate) though.
 * I suggest rather 'Modern scholars', as that is the decisive attribute, they are (presumably) non-partisan historians.
 * add their occupation as it is important to understand why they are relevant as a source, e.g. 'the Twelver theologian al-Shaykh al-Mufid'. Conversely, when they have been introduced, it is not necessary to repeat their affiliation (e.g. ).
 * ditto, who are they? A simple description like 'modern historian' or 'German Islamicist' would be enough.
 * be consistent in using 'ibn' or 'bin', later on there is even a.
 * 'but the 17th-century hadith collection Bihar al-anwar'
 * who are they? e.g. 'companions of Muhammad and early caliphs' or something similar (otherwise 'the two caliphs' is unclear)
 * between al-Ma'mun or between al-Rida? And add that the book is from the 10th century.
 * canonical according to whom?
 * was Qom an important Shia center in the early 9th century? My impression is that this was the case towards the end of the century...
 * I guess this is the modern Persian form of the name (esp. since it comes from Iranica). Pretty sure the original Arabic form should be 'Yahya ibn Imran'.
 * since the marriage has been extensively reported on previously, it does not need to be reintroduced here
 * Suggest simplifying further to 'His marriage to Umm al-Fadl did not result in any children. There are other indications that this marriage was not particularly felicitous...'
 * This is properly covered in the 'Death' section
 * Introduce to the reader
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * I suggest rather 'Modern scholars', as that is the decisive attribute, they are (presumably) non-partisan historians.
 * add their occupation as it is important to understand why they are relevant as a source, e.g. 'the Twelver theologian al-Shaykh al-Mufid'. Conversely, when they have been introduced, it is not necessary to repeat their affiliation (e.g. ).
 * ditto, who are they? A simple description like 'modern historian' or 'German Islamicist' would be enough.
 * be consistent in using 'ibn' or 'bin', later on there is even a.
 * 'but the 17th-century hadith collection Bihar al-anwar'
 * who are they? e.g. 'companions of Muhammad and early caliphs' or something similar (otherwise 'the two caliphs' is unclear)
 * between al-Ma'mun or between al-Rida? And add that the book is from the 10th century.
 * canonical according to whom?
 * was Qom an important Shia center in the early 9th century? My impression is that this was the case towards the end of the century...
 * I guess this is the modern Persian form of the name (esp. since it comes from Iranica). Pretty sure the original Arabic form should be 'Yahya ibn Imran'.
 * since the marriage has been extensively reported on previously, it does not need to be reintroduced here
 * Suggest simplifying further to 'His marriage to Umm al-Fadl did not result in any children. There are other indications that this marriage was not particularly felicitous...'
 * This is properly covered in the 'Death' section
 * Introduce to the reader
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * canonical according to whom?
 * was Qom an important Shia center in the early 9th century? My impression is that this was the case towards the end of the century...
 * I guess this is the modern Persian form of the name (esp. since it comes from Iranica). Pretty sure the original Arabic form should be 'Yahya ibn Imran'.
 * since the marriage has been extensively reported on previously, it does not need to be reintroduced here
 * Suggest simplifying further to 'His marriage to Umm al-Fadl did not result in any children. There are other indications that this marriage was not particularly felicitous...'
 * This is properly covered in the 'Death' section
 * Introduce to the reader
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * Suggest simplifying further to 'His marriage to Umm al-Fadl did not result in any children. There are other indications that this marriage was not particularly felicitous...'
 * This is properly covered in the 'Death' section
 * Introduce to the reader
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * Introduce to the reader
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * 'harem' does not need italics, but you could relink to Abbasid harem
 * Imamate
 * The section depends very heavily on a single source (Wardrop). Questions of availability aside, why is her opinion/view to be relied on? I note that for a GA, this is not a problem as a PhD thesis (in a university with a reputation for excellence in Islamic studies) is definitely a WP:RS, but it will come up in a FA review.
 * Fine for now, GA is not that high a bar regarding sourcing. But be aware of it if you want to take the article further. Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * His political quietism would probably fit better at 'Role in Shia revolts'.
 * Link 'nass (Islam)', 'hujja', 'heresiographies', relink Bahrain to Eastern Arabia
 * is not an Arabic name, or at least horribly transliterated.
 * Had a look myself, and it is actually al-Qiyāmā (simplified al-Qiyama). Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * add that they were sons of Ali, and their numbering as imams.
 * 'naming his uncles...' 'his uncle'
 * Hmmm, if I understand correctly, Abdallah may not be his uncle? Then something like '...and Abdallah ibn Musa (through the latter may not have been his uncle, but a related Hasanid)' or similar... Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 'related Quranic verse 19:12'
 * Instead of the rather vague, better 'Abbasid empire'
 * is this a reference to the khums?
 * Add around  (uncapitalized),, and , and provide a brief gloss for these terms on their first occurrence.
 * They are still technical terms that are not loanwords into English, hence should be italicized per MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. And Ghulat especially merits a brief gloss ('extremists' or 'the extremist Ghulat sects' would suffice).
 * You are correct as to the danger of confusing with modern-day extremism. The literal translation is sufficient, IMO. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I assume this means 'within the Abbasid government'?
 * As above,, and  are Persian forms of Arabic names. For consistency, use the latter.
 * is used in this section, and in 'Shia revolts'. Standardize to the former.
 * The 'Role in Shia revolts' seems to replicate a lot of content already covered in the previous sections. Strongly recommend merging it there if it is missing, otherwise striking this section, or summarizing it briefly to convey the sense that although he is generally regarded as a quietist figure, Shia revolts broke out in Qom during his time, but his exact role in them is unclear.
 * Good solution, very happy with it. Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * which occultation? what is an occultation?
 * Gloss and
 * Works
 * Would suggest renaming the section to 'Legacy' as most of his work is known through others
 * Decapitalize Khums and Zakat, and use the transliteration templates.
 * Agree re Zakat, as it is likely to be familiar to readers and is a term that appears to have entered English. Not sure at all whether this can be said of Khums. Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't insist as it is a detail. But it may well come up by others in future reviews. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Link to Qa'im Al Muhammad
 * References
 * Add ISBNs, ISSNs or OCLCs as relevant for Baghestani, Bayhom-Daou, Donaldson, and any other work missing such.
 * Iranica has its recommendations, but we are not obliged to follow them to the letter. For GA, that is not required, but it is generally good practice to provide this sort of identification. I note Iranica most certainly has ISBNs for its individual volumes, and like all publications, also has an ISSN for the online version: . Constantine  ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Kohlberg, E. (2022).' and 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' are the same article in the same work. Suggest standardizing to 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' since that is the correct date ('First published online: 2012'). Ditto for Lewis, B. (2022)/Lewis, B. (2012).
 * I strongly recommend using the template for citing EI2 articles (and generally using templates where they are available). Not just for uniformity, but should something change or need to be corrected, doing it in a central place is much easier than editing all the individual references. Constantine   ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. The only requirement is consistency within an article, and you have covered that. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Kennedy 2015 is the Third Edition of that work, Tabatai 1975 is the Second Edition.
 * Find the actual author and chapter reference for 'Holt, Lambton & Lewis 1970'
 * Note that Wardrop is a PhD Thesis, as other types of thesis are not permissible as reference.
 * Albertatiran (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Good solution, very happy with it. Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * which occultation? what is an occultation?
 * Gloss and
 * Works
 * Would suggest renaming the section to 'Legacy' as most of his work is known through others
 * Decapitalize Khums and Zakat, and use the transliteration templates.
 * Agree re Zakat, as it is likely to be familiar to readers and is a term that appears to have entered English. Not sure at all whether this can be said of Khums. Constantine  ✍  20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't insist as it is a detail. But it may well come up by others in future reviews. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Link to Qa'im Al Muhammad
 * References
 * Add ISBNs, ISSNs or OCLCs as relevant for Baghestani, Bayhom-Daou, Donaldson, and any other work missing such.
 * Iranica has its recommendations, but we are not obliged to follow them to the letter. For GA, that is not required, but it is generally good practice to provide this sort of identification. I note Iranica most certainly has ISBNs for its individual volumes, and like all publications, also has an ISSN for the online version: . Constantine  ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Kohlberg, E. (2022).' and 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' are the same article in the same work. Suggest standardizing to 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' since that is the correct date ('First published online: 2012'). Ditto for Lewis, B. (2022)/Lewis, B. (2012).
 * I strongly recommend using the template for citing EI2 articles (and generally using templates where they are available). Not just for uniformity, but should something change or need to be corrected, doing it in a central place is much easier than editing all the individual references. Constantine   ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. The only requirement is consistency within an article, and you have covered that. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Kennedy 2015 is the Third Edition of that work, Tabatai 1975 is the Second Edition.
 * Find the actual author and chapter reference for 'Holt, Lambton & Lewis 1970'
 * Note that Wardrop is a PhD Thesis, as other types of thesis are not permissible as reference.
 * Albertatiran (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Iranica has its recommendations, but we are not obliged to follow them to the letter. For GA, that is not required, but it is generally good practice to provide this sort of identification. I note Iranica most certainly has ISBNs for its individual volumes, and like all publications, also has an ISSN for the online version: . Constantine  ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Kohlberg, E. (2022).' and 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' are the same article in the same work. Suggest standardizing to 'Kohlberg, E. (2012).' since that is the correct date ('First published online: 2012'). Ditto for Lewis, B. (2022)/Lewis, B. (2012).
 * I strongly recommend using the template for citing EI2 articles (and generally using templates where they are available). Not just for uniformity, but should something change or need to be corrected, doing it in a central place is much easier than editing all the individual references. Constantine   ✍  11:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. The only requirement is consistency within an article, and you have covered that. Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Kennedy 2015 is the Third Edition of that work, Tabatai 1975 is the Second Edition.
 * Find the actual author and chapter reference for 'Holt, Lambton & Lewis 1970'
 * Note that Wardrop is a PhD Thesis, as other types of thesis are not permissible as reference.
 * Albertatiran (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Find the actual author and chapter reference for 'Holt, Lambton & Lewis 1970'
 * Note that Wardrop is a PhD Thesis, as other types of thesis are not permissible as reference.
 * Albertatiran (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that Wardrop is a PhD Thesis, as other types of thesis are not permissible as reference.
 * Albertatiran (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks very much for the swift feedback. I'll work on these in the next few days. Albertatiran (talk) 12:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Source spotchecks:
 * Earwig's tool shows some slight overlap with the Iranica article.
 * Hulmes 2008 	✅
 * Sourdel 1970:
 * Can't find anything in p. 121 about
 * Sourdel gives another reason for al-Ma'mun's matrimonial alliance with the Alids, namely his Mu'tazilism and the notion of the "imamate as depending entirely on personal merit". Should be added for completeness.
 * Fine by me, you are the authors :) Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * p.121 also supplies the information necessary to re-introduce the removed part about Sunni 'nationalists'.
 * But I have only added,
 * Both are fine by me, but the former may be a bit too much for the present article (it does not directly concern al-Jawad). Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * al-Rida's death and al-Jawad's stay at the caliphal court are also not in p. 121, but p. 122 for the former, and I cannot find anything for the latter. Indeed, Sourdel's chapter does not seem to mention al-Jawad, except in passing.
 * Madelung 2012
 * is extremely close to the original source and constitutes a clear example of WP:Close paraphrasing. Please attribute it in-text to Madelung, at the very least.
 * according to Madelung, she complained specifically about al-Jawad's preference for his concubines over her, which is a) understandable, b) gives an explanation about why the marriage remained childless and c) shows her in a slightly better light than is otherwise conveyed. I strongly recommend adding this to the text.
 * I will also look into Wardrop 1988 given its heavy use in the article, but it will take me a few days. Constantine  ✍  12:37, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Did a fairly extensive spotcheck (and some minor fixes) about the usage of Wardrop in the 'Imamate' section. I am satisfied about there not being any close paraphrasing there. I am also satisfied with the responses to the troublespots above, and am convinced that they were inadvertent errors. As such, I am signing off on the sourcing and copyvio requirements, and thus also passing the article for GA at this time. Congratulations to you both, the article is really good and a major achievement! Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Your feedback and, perhaps just as importantly, availability and commitment made a lot of difference. Albertatiran (talk) 13:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Also a big thanks to ! Albertatiran (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good work . God bless you both.Ghazaalch (talk) 07:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I will also look into Wardrop 1988 given its heavy use in the article, but it will take me a few days. Constantine  ✍  12:37, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Did a fairly extensive spotcheck (and some minor fixes) about the usage of Wardrop in the 'Imamate' section. I am satisfied about there not being any close paraphrasing there. I am also satisfied with the responses to the troublespots above, and am convinced that they were inadvertent errors. As such, I am signing off on the sourcing and copyvio requirements, and thus also passing the article for GA at this time. Congratulations to you both, the article is really good and a major achievement! Constantine  ✍  13:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Your feedback and, perhaps just as importantly, availability and commitment made a lot of difference. Albertatiran (talk) 13:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Also a big thanks to ! Albertatiran (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good work . God bless you both.Ghazaalch (talk) 07:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good work . God bless you both.Ghazaalch (talk) 07:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)