Talk:Mule (shoe)

Here is the bibliography I will be using to work/ edit this page:
1.	Jain-Neubauer, Jutta. “South Asian Footwear: History, Tradition, and contemporary Trends.” In Berg Encyclopedia of World Dress and Fashion: South Asia and Southeast Asia, edited by Jasleen Dhamija, 177-182. Oxford: Bloomsbury Academic, 2010. Accessed October 30, 2017. http://dx.doi.org/10.2752/BEWDF/EDch4024. 2.	Swann, June. Shoes. London: B.T Batsford, 1991. 3.	Rexford, Nancy. Womens Shoes in America, 1795-1830. Kent: Kent State University Press, 2000. 4.	Walford, Jonathan. "Shoes, Women’s." In The Berg Companion to Fashion, edited by Valerie Steele. Oxford: Bloomsbury Academic, 2010. Accessed October 30, 2017. https://www.bloomsburyfashioncentral.com/products/berg-fashion-library/encyclopedia/the-berg-companion-to-fashion/shoes-womens. 5.	“Pair of Shoes ” V&A collection. http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O74679/pair-of-shoes-unknown/ 6.	“Pair of Shoes” V&A collection. http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O74676/pair-of-shoes-unknown/ 7.	“Poirete” V&A collection. http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1306018/poirete-mules-blahnik-manolo/ 8.	Iran Mules V&A collection. https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O364535/pair-of-shoes/ 9.	“Pair of shoes” V&A collection. http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O137531/pair-of-shoes-auley-sheron-co/ 10.	“Mules” The Met Collection. https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/156176?sortBy=Relevance&amp;what=Mules&amp;ft=*&amp;offset=0&amp;rpp=100&amp;pos=43 11.	Unknown. Slipper. 1850-1860. Victoria & Albert Museum, London. Accessed October 30, 2017. https://www.bloomsburyfashioncentral.com/products/berg-fashion-library/museum/victoria-albert-museum/slipper. 12.	Weber, Eugen. The English Historical Review 118, no. 477 (2003): 841-42. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3489397. 13.	Stevens, Sarah C., and Margaret T. Ordoñez. "Fashionable and Work Shoes from a Nineteenth-Century Boston Privy." Historical Archaeology 39, no. 4 (2005): 9-25. http://www.jstor.org/stable/25617280.
 * That isn't remotely how you provide sources but, yeah, these could be used to further expand and correct the article if someone were interested. — Llywelyn II   06:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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Sources please
I added a tiny bit on 18th century shoes and the image, but there is a lot of unsupported information in this article. Websters second cites "mule" as "a kind of slipper without quarter" (what a wonderful way of putting it) from Latin mulleus 'shoe of red leather' via French. The OED wonders if "mule" may mean prostitute (from earlier spelling moyle) - perhaps there is a transference of meaning here? - PKM 17:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * For this sense, the OED wonders no such thing at all and, no, mules weren't particularly associated with prostitutes at the time either.


 * On the other hand, you were absolutely right that several points in the name section were also completely wrong or misunderstood. It seems to have been an innocent enough mistake. The previous source—a random blog post by someone at UTulsa, now long since dead—was just completely wrong on several major points (cf. the rather more thorough discussion in the new Ryan source which he gets to along the way of offering his own—probably wrong—idea for the etymology of the Roman Senate's pedarii). Even that is probably an innocent enough mistake. The surviving treatments and statuary are partial, ambiguous, and generally not focused at all on the footwear itself. It didn't help that our own calceus article leaned on that lazy/incompletely/wrong UTulsa source until just recently. — Llywelyn II   06:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Sneakers worn as mules
Apologies for the commercial link but it's obviously the easiest way to find these.

Partially because Wiki is bad with fashion generally and partially because Brits opt to avoid calling sneakers sneakers (hopefully it will be fixed soonish but cf. the current sneaker article where someone has entirely mistaken them for plimsoll shoes and then copied over the wrong history), it is impossible to find this at Wikicommons but this article needs at least one photo of mule sneakers and another of sneakers—especially canvas-top Converse—worn as mules by crushing the back flap under the person's heel. No idea how common it is generally in the US and UK but it is and has been a huge thing across East Asia and Southeast Asia, especially in summer and in hotter climates. — Llywelyn II   07:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)