Talk:Mullet (haircut)

Canada
I love how this article doesn't even mention Canada, if anything, it was Canada that really popularized the musket in the 1980s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:8480:D000:E135:EAAC:E4B6:DD07 (talk) 15:32, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I also found the absence of Can-con pretty odd. This is such a quintessentially Canadian haircut, managing to continue through the decades and often described as "hockey hair." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.246.130.248 (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree, the hairstyle was invented in Canada, and it was typically called 'Hockey Hair'. It also had a strong association with acid-wash jeans and the 'Canadian Tuxedo'. The 'tux' had its genesis in patches applied to the back of jean jackets depicting hard rock, and later, heavy metal bands. That happened when former 'head shops' stopped selling bongs and changed their names to 'Rock Shops', with their main product being those jean-jacket-back patches. At first it was Van Halen, AC/DC, and Def Leppard. It happened in early 1983; one day nobody in your school was wearing them, then the next day half the males in the school were sporting them, and it was a running joke to point out who convinced their mom to sew it on, and who had to do the stitching themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.92.37 (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked recently, but there was no historic reliable source to prove that this phenomenon was known by the name earlier than the Beastie Boys. There are probably three names from 1970s UK, none being Mullet. This article - like others - has been destroyed by people 'voicing' their own internal thoughts. It was linked to 1967 Cool Hand Luke (by virtue of the phrase used by actor George Kennedy, 'mullet-heads'), and ridiculously linked-back to the 1800s, calling it Skullet.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Russia
The mullet is very popular in Russia. I was recently there and about 3/4th of the guys there had mullets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.55.109 (talk) 06:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

You are correct, even the women and children sport mullets in Moscow, an amazing representation of what they look like over there. We dont often see this in the media though, which I for one think is a bit of a shame. 90.215.30.30 (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
Why the men in those pictures loo so damn retarded. Couldn`t you get some good pictures with better lookin models. Really the blond curly haired guy has a fuck-face out of this earth. Please solve this for the sake of good taste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.74.43 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 December 2008


 * Did you just ask to see a mullet in good taste? Have you gone off of your meds?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.234.185 (talk) 19:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand that this page is very controversial, but I am not happy with the photo. That child should not have his image up on the internet for all the world to mock. 99.232.49.238 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 02:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC).

It would be better if the photos were better quality and did not have distracting backgrounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.95.107 (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * James Polk restored.jpg Perhaps our 11th President, James K. Polk? Nerfer (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Wired disses mullet of Phil Shiller
In a 22 December 2008 Wired blog article claiming that Apple customers can no longer consider themselves special or hip, the mullet-coiffed Phil Schiller (Apple senior VP of worldwide product marketing who will be speaking in Steve Jobs' place at the 2009 Macworld Expo) is cited as evidence of such non-hipness. Perhaps these sort of references could be captured in a "Cultural references" section in the article? SteveChervitzTrutane (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC) personally I love seeing mullets.Its the best of both worlds...it says im here for buisness but im not afraid to party!!!!! -caca

Possible Vandalism
I recently deleted some obvious vandalism in which the vandal added to the section describing who the mullet was popular with. Said vandal added the words, "as well as Dykes,and people who go under the name Imperiel Executive." Now a different IP has added, "as well as many lesbians." However, to state that the haircut is popular in the female homosexual community would not be false. Should this be deleted, reworded, or left as is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kronos o (talk • contribs) 17:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Pittsburgh - Mullet Capital of the United States
Despite nearing the year 2014 Pittsburgh is still considered the Mullet capital of the United States. Roughnecks from neighborhoods scattered around this lunch bucket town refuse to abandon the mullet regardless of how antiquated or ridiculous a look the mullet is. Hoards of mulleted individuals men and women populate undesirable areas around town. In addition to their signature hairstyles they can also be identified by a general lack of manners, proper hygiene and intellect. 68.55.58.46 (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * But doesn't that apply to just about the entire area of the continental United States? OK, so this is original research, but on my business trips to the heart of the "free world" all I ever see are obese, waddling people with mullet haircuts. It's a bizarre standard that doesn't seem to have surpassed anywhere else in the English-speaking world. (Except with maybe the Northern Territories in Australia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.93.149 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 15 December 2009


 * This comment "on my business trips to the heart of the "free world" all I ever see are obese, waddling people with mullet haircuts" is far from being OR. It is self-evident to anyone who has ever been the Inland USA. 2.10.147.218 (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

MULLETS ARE HERE TO STAY! -Judging someone on their prefered hairstyle is ridiculous! As human beings we should really open our minds and realize that fashion or style or apperance DOES NOT determine what kind of peson one is. Everyone is different and has different opinions in which their entitled to, of couse, but have some respect. and no I myself do not have a mullet but I am a hairstylist and I have styled/cut a mullet and honestly it's looked pretty sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.214.211 (talk) 20:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * In his 2012 book Dave Gorman's Googlewhack Adventure, Dave Gorman claims that Columbus, Ohio "appears to be the mullet capital of the world." (page 97). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Etymology - claim is contradicted by 'supporting' reference
The article says that 'mullet' is not derived from the fish or from mullethead, and supports this claim by referencing a page that says that it might be derived from the fish (and doesn't rule anything out). This doesn't make sense, and the article referenced is just guessing without any firm evidence. I'm going to remove that bit. Melaena (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought the name came from the film Cool Hand Luke, but this is not mentioned in the article. Anyone else heard this?--81.23.54.142 (talk) 20:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

In Chapter 29 of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer says: "Yes, I know; but you can't depend on them. It's the way they've acted from the very start—left us to do EVERYTHING.  They're so confiding and mullet-headed they don't take notice of nothing at all.  So if we don't GIVE them notice there won't be nobody nor nothing to interfere with us, and so after all our hard work and trouble this escape 'll go off perfectly flat; won't amount to nothing—won't be nothing TO it."

This could have referred to the fish too (Twain uses "chucklehead" elsewhere). Rob Russell (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * yes, but even if mullet-headed referenced the fish, it meant (i'm guessing) some combination of "myopic/dumb/unaware/stubborn", and as that expression had currency in English, that is the meaning that may have transferred to the hairstyle. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The mullet in Spain
I don't think the mullet is particulary common in Spain nowadays, as the article implies with no citations. I'm Spanish, I have only seen people from a certain urban tribe using it, which seems to indicate it's far from common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.220.132.133 (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, citation is required. I don't see a mullet haircut for years.--87.217.179.231 (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say it is/was associated to young male supporters of the Basque National Liberation Movement. Check pictures of kale borroka or young ETA members. --Error (talk) 23:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Skullet
A variation of the mullet. Sported previously by one Devin Townsend. Worth adding in to the article? borandi (talk) 16:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Etymology
So we know the Beastie Boys named it, but -why- did they call it that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.36.165 (talk) 20:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Sam calls Diane a "mullet head" in season 1, episode 3 of Cheers, predating the Beastie Boys song by 13 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C458:47B0:8943:8969:3A03:AFF (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, IMbd quotes it here, But what did Sam mean? Just that she had no neck? Surely not that she had that hair style? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The Beastie Boys did not coin this phrase, to say so is wrong and detracts from the rest of the article. The references cited at OED do not even support the claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidanr444 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * They did not coin the phrase, but they were apparently the first to tie it to a hairstyle. Before it was just a slur for dimwitted people. Nerfer (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Rubbish, it was commonly called a mullet in the UK at least as early as 1982. Stub Mandrel (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I look forward to you finding an historical, hard published source, contemporaneous to that year, to support that assertion, Stub Mandrel. Online have no historical value, usually, unless carrying facsimile documents of the time - see this as an example that I have just added to an article.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Kudos
Just wanted to say that "The mullet in the Classical Period" is the best section header I've seen in a Wikipedia article. Keep up the good work. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 07:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

References to scholarly research please?
Terribly disappointed that this article includes no references to peer-reviewed, scholarly articles. I expect better from Mullet editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.230.197 (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The Shag - and changes over time
I had "a shag" in the 1970s, but this was quite obviously the same as a mullet today. In a recent discussion online, I discovered my memories were not at all unique, that most of us who had a shag in the 1970s agreed it was what is now called a mullet and that we, in fact, had never even heard the term until the late 1980s (not being a Beastie Boy fan, I had not even heard it until the 1990s). I would like to see some references about the history of the mullet and the shag from fashion magazines of the eras being discussed. NightBear (talk) 04:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Stereotype for some Afrikaners and Australians
I think that this article could do with a mention of Afrikaners, as the haircut is well enough established as a stereotype for some Afrikaners that MK (channel) had a show titled Mullet.

See also this quote for example: "It’s a place where men can for are be wearing khaki shirt wiff very short shorts. Crocs are officially recognised as being “super kool” and mullets are always in fashion."

It seems that Australians also have a stereotype for this haircut wiktionary:Appendix:Australian English terms for people See the entry on that page for bogan).

--PBS (talk) 13:01, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

The mullet in US Christianity
Apart from the obvious overrepresented popularity in the USA, I've noticed that many people regarding themselves as being part of a Christian or pronounced Christian movement wear the mullet. One example would be Duane Chapman (Dog the Bounty Hunter) who sports it. Zuckerberg (talk) 14:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, painter Nathan Greene depicts Jesus in his paintings with this hairstyle. Zuckerberg (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would call that more of a red-neck mentality (perhaps after Billy Ray Cyrus, among others), not necessarily Christian. Nerfer (talk) 18:45, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Article Too Short
This article is too short. There is nothing wrong with the front part being short, but it needs to be longer at the back.82.71.30.178 (talk) 21:17, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 82.71.30.178 you are a genius. You're not in disguise are you? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 14:46, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What vile and wicked calumny is this!? You'll be looking for a Moomin-in-a-Cleopatra-Wig next, no doubt. Shame on you. Martin "Mr Teasy-Weasy" Evans123 (talk) 10:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just drawing your attention to this page of delights, Señor Teasy-Weasy. Have you seen some of the above comments?


 * It’s a place where men can for are be wearing khaki shirt wiff very short shorts. Crocs are officially recognised as being “super kool” and mullets are always in fashion.


 * I had "a shag" in the 1970s..


 * Pittsburgh is still considered the Mullet capital of the United States. Roughnecks from neighborhoods scattered around this lunch bucket town refuse to abandon the mullet regardless of how antiquated or ridiculous a look the mullet is. Hoards of mulleted individuals men and women populate undesirable areas around town. In addition to their signature hairstyles they can also be identified by a general lack of manners, proper hygiene and intellect.


 * Some hilarious hair lairyness, I'm sure you'll agree! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 15:51, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh and this:


 * ..personally I love seeing mullets.Its the best of both worlds...it says im here for buisness but im not afraid to party!!!!!


 * 'ere mate, that's actually Signor Teasy-Weasey, to you, me lad. I 'ear those radical mammoth armoured dinner-jackets are all the rage at that new "I-Ran Hair" salon, darn the ol' 'Bush. tee-hee. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Banned in Iran?
Perhaps they should ban it in the west too for being a cultural assault!!! :))) The Big Hoof! (talk) 10:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Ancient mullets
U|Mangoe, my additions you just reverted were not the same as the previous information. The sources I chose explicitly compare that particular 6th-century hairstyle to the mullet. The first cited work is by J. P. Toner who has written many books on Roman culture:

Interestingly, they also wore their hair long, except in the front where, mullet-style, they cut it short across the forehead.

The second is by Peter Heather, bestselling author and Professor of Medieval History at King's College London:

These young men liked, Procopius tells us, maximum facial hair, mullets, wide-lapels and plenty of bling."

I'm going to restore my previous version. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

M'Hualtt (Aramaic origin)
I understood that the original word was M'hualtt which was Aramaic for hairstyle. The anglicized pronounciation of which is Mullet. 2.10.147.218 (talk) 20:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Be Bold
Looking over past versions of this article, it seems like this article has been dying a slow death for years. I was bold and reverted to a much more comprehensive version of the article, from 2008. As the article exists now it is barely a nanostub. Herzlicheboy (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * A good 20,000 bytes of info had been slowly trimmed from this article over the last five years and replaced with nothing of value. Herzlicheboy (talk) 22:36, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your "more comprehensive version" of the article replaced some properly referenced material with plenty of WP:OR and WP:V, contrary to Wikipedia policy. It appears most of that 2008 OR content was removed on 18 November 2008 ; that reduction wasn't "a slow death". However, it may be appropriate to bring back some of the older material if appropriate references can be added and if it doesn't infringe on policies and guidelines such as WP:NPOV, WP:SYN and WP:RS, and the article could definitely use more than the current 13 references. Dl2000 (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

The Etymology is false
In Australia we were calling those haircuts "mullets" in the 1980s. I always assumed it was an Australian term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.38.38 (talk) 08:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)


 * It was called a "mullet" in the UK in the early 1980s. Sadly I no longer have a copy of a cartoon I drew of our University rock society's (Aberocsoc) committee in 1982 which featured one chap who was known as 'Mullet' on account of his hair style. The cartoon clearly showed the hairstyle and documented his nickname. Stub Mandrel (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

No historic sources quoted
I've just heard a Beastie Boys song ((You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!)) on Absolute Radio 80s which reminded me that I should have posted this much sooner. All of the sources are post-internet; whereas I accept that it is/was a 1980s style and the allusion to Beastie Boys, a 1970s sub-section asserting that David Bowie, Mr McCartney, etc., is misleading and simply satisfies WP:VNT - someone wrote their opinion 40 years later, retrospectively-applying a much later term. No historical value whatsoever. Also see WP:SYNTH and WP:FRANKIE - swamping this article with people or even cartoons showing the style. In 1993, Superman wore a mullet?! Whereas this was a 1970s style, I know of three other names used in 1970s UK, but never mullet.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree about the sources here. But did the mullet simply stop existing on 31 December 1979? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * A bit like jet lag - didn't exist (in that exact regard) until someone coined the term for it? Interesting film clip.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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Lead image
There has been a problem with the lead images for the article. This is the one that was leading:

Certainly I do not see the mullet in here, sides are not properly shaved, and hair is yet not enough long to be seen as what the mullet haircut is. It claims to be a "modern mullet" but what that is? Specifcally, what is a modern mullet?

Another suggestion from me is that both images shall be placed into the article as leads. I started this discussion cause the image was just taken out without even a proper concensus or discussion. Awaiting for comments, greetings. Loki4050 (talk) 17:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A crop from the first image could be nice as well. Loki4050 (talk) 17:34, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are going to make stuff up for this discussion, as opposed to going from the page history, I will not take part. Your version of what has happened is fictional. -Roxy the English speaking dog 17:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This article is a disgrace - it has been mullered - butchered - by fanzone IP addresses since time immemorial. There is AFAIK no evidence that it existed before Beastie Boys. The image with the check shirt looks like 'he' cut his own for the pic. The fringe is a joke (what's that in American? bangs??).


 * I watched the 1989 film Roadhouse a few weeks ago and I was amazed that the lead characters including Jeff Healey had perfectly-coiffured mullets - not home-made! As in the two examples above.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, now I understand......Loki uploaded the Mex-looking shaved sides, and placed it into the article 12 minutes later. Using the word " A crop from the first image could be nice as well" caused enough suspicion for me to check.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I may have been a little hard on Loki, but nevertheless, his image is just not a beastie boys, chavvy, bogan approved mullet, and does not meet the wikipedia definition as per the lead of this article. - Roxy the English speaking dog 14:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Commenters here may be interested in Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. - MrOllie (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

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What was wrong here ?
I wonder what was wrongly done here - ? I added references, some helpful changes, what was wrong ? 2806:105E:14:8EDE:A0C4:8179:AD60:784E (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * You added unreliable / spam links as sources and inserted a selfie image from a sock-puppeteer who has been blocked from wikipedia many times. Consensus on this talk page has been to exclude it. MrOllie (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @MrOllie oh okay fine. 2806:105E:14:8EDE:A0C4:8179:AD60:784E (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @MrOllie, also why were those spam links ? and the other editions were fine then no ? Out of that image and some sources.. ? 2806:105E:14:8EDE:A0C4:8179:AD60:784E (talk) 00:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You've been skating for a while by not registering an account, but if you keep pushing it you can expect that your IP will be range blocked as well. MrOllie (talk) 00:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)