Talk:Mullet (haircut)/Archive 1

More content needed
I was really hoping to see more here. Can't anyone include things like...the history of the mullet, famous people with mullets, movies which contain mullets, etc.? Come on, people! Someone has to know more! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.19.113 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 29 May 2004


 * Or a picture for that matter? :P --Goobergunch|? 03:58, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

thumb|right|[[Richard Dean Anderson as MacGyver]] I put up this picture, but Whosyourjudas took it down for insufficient mullet exposure. I don't know, I think an imperfectly pictured mullet is better than no mullet at all. Anyone have something better on hand?--Pharos 17:39, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reversions
Jello042 and Ashley Y: rememeber the 3 revert rule. Please discuss your problems with this article here. Whosyourjudas (talk) 02:16, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Jello042: why do you keep reverting all changes? &mdash;Ashley Y 05:20, 2004 Oct 15 (UTC)

Um, I suspect Mogrady, Jello042 and Kris45 are the same person... &mdash;Ashley Y 05:45, 2004 Oct 16 (UTC)
 * User:Xlogold, too. I really wish an admin would deal with this pests.Pyrop 05:59, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

I reverted Bletch, because his edit seemed to reflect Macgyver being a real person.--Pharos 17:18, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

From the history section, i took out the part about mullets generally being worn ironically, because i don't feel that's at all the case. It's still a popular hairstyle in the United States (generally among the rural or lower economic classes, true), but i don't think it's worn ironically by these groups. --The chavi 20:04, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

RFC on Kris45 & co.
I'd appreciate everyone putting in their word at Requests for comment/Kris45. -&#8472;yrop (talk) 03:56, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Mullet mocking
69.86.83.250, I'm having trouble reconciling your contributions with wikipedia's neutral point of view policies, as they are clearly editorializing and expressing a very individual, non-mainstream opinion. I'm not a fan of the mullet-mocking pages, myself, but I don't think this is the right venue, and I doubt the authors and fans of those pages share the opinion you are contributing. Maybe a link to an external mullet-mocker-criticising page would be a solution? --Misterwindupbird 00:42, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If I had a photograph of you
We really need a profile image of someone sporting a mullet hairstyle; both of the examples on the page at this point in time are frontal views. Surely there must be at least one Wikipedia editor who has a mullet hairstyle and a digital camera, and who would have no objections to being preserved for immortality as an example? I can't help, unfortunately, because I don't have enough hair left to grow a mullet. Something else I will never experience.-Ashley Pomeroy 13:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I was just about to ask that someone do this but you beat me to it :) Motion seconded! 216.161.152.227 07:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Removing Famous Celebrities List
There is no need for this list, Other hairstyle categories do not have a list. The list was idiotic and childish. Most of those people never even had mullets, such as Tony Blair, etc...

A mullet is like the Brad Pitt photo, usually spiked on the top and at least to the shoulders in the back.

People seem to think anyone with long hair has a mullet, they are confusing that with "the layered back" hairstyle.

Thanks for taking this into consideration. This was written by User:AshIey Y--remember to sign your comments.


 * The pictoral evidence for Tony Blair's mullet is right in the article. As well, you aren't doing well in endearing people to your cause by vandalizing pages and imitating other users.  You're not User:Ashley Y, so stop pretending to be her, or even a legitimate contributor.  --HBK 04:35, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I think the Brad Pitt pic looks more like a Mop-Top than a Mullet, because the fringes practically cover the forehead and half of his ears. Mullets are not supposed to cover the forehead nor touch the ears. (CrazyChap's my name)

What about people like Hulk Hogan and Dennis Franz? They don't have a skullet; they're just going bald and grow their hair long where they can. Does that really count as a skullet?


 * The celebrity list makes the article intersting. What happened to the picture of Tony Blair and Brad Pitt? I don't read celebrity magazines, but this mullet stuff is interesting. Rintrah 04:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Tony Blair mullet?
I'm not exactly sure if that picture of Tony Blair on the page shows a true mullet. It looks more like a short-all-around cut that's grown out for a few months; usually with a mullet, one cuts the hair in front and leaves the back long, but this really looks mostly the same length all around, or maybe at the very most 2" longer in back; hardly a mullet by most standards. Ralphael 15:38, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Beastie Boys contribution
The bit about the article in the Beastie Boys' magazine being the turning point for the mullet's decline in popularity in the late 1990s is completely inaccurate. The mullet had already been "universally ridiculed" for years before that. A more accurate date would be 1992-1993 around the time of the brief success of Billy Ray Cyrus -- infamous for his much-disliked "hit song" 'Achy Breaky Heart' and his prominent mullet haircut. I've never even heard of this Beastie Boys article yet I've routinely heard Cyrus referred to as "the man who ruined the mullet" for well over a decade. [note: I know, that's my own personal experience and thus is not valid as a source, but then again this topic is very word-of-mouth and not something people really bother to document... in fact, I feel a little silly even contributing to this Wiki article. :) ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.109.178 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 24 November 2005


 * I believe the first reference to mullet heads was actually in the Paul Newman film "Cool Hand Luke", far before the Beastie Boys were ever heard of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.2.192.210 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 24 May 2006


 * Not to mention Bill Hicks referenced Billy Ray Cyrus as a mullet-wearing hillbilly, or something to that effect in his "Let's Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Cyrus" bit. Not that this adds anything to the discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.26.131.217 (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

I have a mullet (and pictures)
Sadly, I don't have an account, but I'm willing to donate the pictures if someone will upload them. Though I will be leaving to army (because of conscription, not war) next monday which is the reason I have a mullet in the first place. Still I have the pics with corny glasses and a Wifebeater (slang) on no less. Uploaders can mail me at solgrae (at) gmail.com 80.186.167.71 11:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Better picture
this is ridiculous! a sketch drawing of a mullet?! we can seriously do a LOT better than that. someone has to have a picture. -sparsefarce 25 Jan 2006
 * I agree, it's pretty sad. I can't help; never had one. And it looks like we missed the boat on the guy above.
 * I also don't really think the photo of Tony Blair qualifies as a mullet. His hair is a little shaggy there, but neither long enough in back nor short enough on the sides to really be a mullet.
 * I'm going to have a look at the FBI's most wanted list. Government mug shots aren't copyrighted, and you know there have to be some stellar mullets on there. :) Kafziel 21:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That was easy. More where those came from. Kafziel 21:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not too happy with this solution... the picture does not show the mullet very well, and it is not a nice photo anyway. -- 790 07:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Furthermore, using persons from the FBI's Most Wanted list is enforcing negative stereotypes. I mean, a bank robber and a child murderer? -- Xanadu 00:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I have a pretty extreme mullet. I had it cut over a month ago so the top is now over an inch long, but it's still quite special. If nobody minds, I'd quite like to be Wikipedia's mullet-boy. I have a digi-camera so I'll try to get a good photo on here tonight. For a preview (of when it was most extreme) might I offer members.lycos.co.uk/bongotree/mullet2.JPG. Tomid 16:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't quite understand how/why anybody thought a picture of 'Ben's Mullet' (is it a mullet?) could be more suitable than my 'mullet in profile'. Tomid 18:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"Frollett"
An article on the "frollett" has been made twice now, and deleted both times. The first time it was listed on AfD for non-notability and deleted in September 2005. It was created again and speedy deleted January 2006. Good riddance.

Anyway, I removed the "see also" section from this article because that's the only thing it contained, and it will be a big waste of time to keep having to speedy delete that article every time someone else creates it so hopefully that will remove the temptation. Kafziel 22:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Huh?
The article does not spare a single sentence telling the readers what a mullet looks like. -- Миборовский U 00:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Fictional characters
It seems to me that the "fictional characters" section is getting a little out of hand. Every ten minutes somebody else comes up with one. I think ten should be about sufficient, but falling short of that, I think at the very least a requirement for inclusion should be that the character have his own article. What's the point of having a bunch of examples that are so obscure they don't even have an article? How does that help someone understand what a mullet is?

I'm going to be bold and pare the list down significantly. If anyone flips out upon seeing the changes, go ahead and revert me. This is not a topic that's near and dear to me; I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it. Kafziel 01:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Oi....YTMND'ers were at it again wikipediasng.ytmnd.com/. Darn, I wanted to edit out the reference...guy who did it didn't even get his name right or anything, thus he fails. Luca Shoal 01:51, 9 February 2006 (EST)

Someone blanked the fictional characters section. i for one think it belongs. do we need to discuss the validitly of fictional characters? Sparsefarce 23:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still there, but someone shortened it about a month ago.  dbtfz talk 23:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

-- Worf does not have a mullet. especially in later years he just plain long hair, worn as a tail ill delete it

Semi-protected??
Why, and by whose authority, is this page protected from editing by new or unregistered users? Not to mention, how? This is particularly odd since the message was added by a user with no user page.... Exploding Boy 02:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

"Trendy" or "ironic" mullets in modern day
I think some mention should be made to the recent trend among teenagers and young adults, particularly those that--whether they are a part of the subculture or not--model their fashion sense after the "emo", "screamo" or "fashioncore" phenomenon. Many of these individuals grow their hair in a style that could be deemed an "ironic mullet"; usually, they have the "swooping bangs" in front, and towards the back of the top of the scalp it sticks up about an inch or two, then towards the very back and especially near the neck it's much longer, usually resting towards the nape of the neck or shoulders. Some have made it more obvious than others. This has essentially marked a return of the mullet, albeit in a fashionable, ironic manner. There is some dispute as to whether it has the same stigma attached to it did a few years ago; as far as modern trends go, it is generally acceptable, though a growing number of people openly ridicule this new interpretation of the mullets. Lastly, I'm curious as to why Seinfeld and Ashley Simpson are mentioned in the celebrity list; Jerry's hair has always seemed to have been the same length all around and I was not able to locate any picture of Ashley suggesting she has a mullet.

Rural thugs?
Just found the following:

In the United Kingdom the mullet is most commonly associated with rural thugs, such as Craig Evans and Ian Botham,

Just pointing it out, but not bothered enough to remove it :) --80.39.83.114 14:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I fixed it.   dbtfz talk 20:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Etymology
Added a good bit about the etymology of the term, with a quote from and link to the Oxford English Dictionary. Also remove a sentence claiming that the term "mullet" was used in the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke to refere to the hairstyle. The term used in the movie was "mullet head", and it was a general insult, not a refence to the hairstyle. The Random House Dictionary of American Slang acknowedged this term as having first appeared in 1857. Anson2995 01:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

In the Beastie Boys song "Mullet Head" is was also meant as an insult. I think since Cool Hand Luke was the first instance of the term in popular culture it should be mentioned.

Insult vs haircut
In both the Beastie Boys song "Mullet Head" and Paul Newman's "Cool Hand Luke" the term mullet head is meant as insult. Although the Beastie Boys were the first ones to link the mullet to previously unnamed haircut, "Luke" was the first noted mention in popular culture. The argument that is on-going in many articles is whether or not pop culture reference have a place in an encyclopedia. In this case I think it should be because the mullet is a popculture phenomenon and this article proves that. If we are going to mention B-List celebrities with hair styles that barely fit the vague definition of a mullet I think it is more that appropriate to mention 1967's "Cool Hand Luke"--Njhorvath 18:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)--Njhorvath 18:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Cultural references
I can't believe this artical doesn't mention The Vandals paean to the mullet, namely their track "I've got an ape-drape". Not only do the lyrics describe the afore mentioned hair-style, it also references numerous slang, cultural terms and ideologies surrounding 'hockey hair'.

NPOV tag
I have removed the NPOV tag since I have spotted no clear argument on here. If anyone wants to replace it please make your argument under this heading. BlueValour 15:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
I have marked this article for cleanup with both the "inappropriate tone" and "citations missing" tags. The tone of the article seems to be very mocking of the mullet (see Etymology for example). Moreover, much of the article seems like it could be no more than speculation, with little citation provided.

VRoscioli 19:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Also regarding cleanup, I think the "History and cultural significance" and "Etymology" sections could be combined or split up more appropriately. For example: "Etymology" repeats information in the "History" section; and "History" mentions the Grand Royal article before it is even described in better detail below it in the "Etymology" section. 142.36.45.56 (talk) 20:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

"Mullet" in Spanish
I'm really curious about what the mullet hairstyle is known in Castilian Spanish. It is a very common haircut in Spanish speaking countries like Mexico and Puerto Rico yet it has no official name in Spanish (the closest in know is "capa"(cape)).

I put info for it(capa) in the "other languages"section yet it got deleted. Why?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.223.120 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 5 August 2006


 * In last years, the term "mullet" is being introduced so heavily in castilian spanish. The most usual word for this haircut was "melena" or, nearer to slang, "greñas".--Patillotes (talk) 11:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but "melena" or "greñas" don't need to be short in the front. Regular long hair (a little unkempt) would do.--Oconel (talk) 15:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Bemulleted
Who thought of the adjective bemulleted? It's brilliant! Rintrah 15:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture - good choice?
I think it is - from an ethical pount of view - no good idea using a picture of a fugitive person to describe what this hairstyle looks like. Nerdi 17:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. There have to be better pictures out there. Maybe on flickr with a suitable license. --84.178.84.89 10:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A picture of Tony Blair in his full glory, decorated with the celebrated mullet, is my first choice as a replacement. I assure you, I am not partial, for I do not live in England. Rintrah 13:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

"The mullet was named after the 80's slang term for the "head" of the penis. (The shape of the 70's mullet being short in the front and slowly graduating in length to the back was reminiscant of the shape of the glans of the penis from a frontal view). Opponents of the metalhead lifestyle in the 80's (Goths, Punk Rockers, Rude Boys) took note of this and began calling metal fans "cock rockers", implying that the obsession metal bands (and fans) had with their own penis' ran so deep that they styled their own hair to resemble the glans. The word "mullet" is actually a derogatory term meant to insult metalheads and portray them as imbeciles." -Stop removing that.

Hockey hair
I dont know, but hockey hair isnt a mullet, hockey hair is commonly used to describe a shag these days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.224.124 (talk) 20:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Benjamin Franklin?
I'm not sure being bald and never getting a haircut counts as a "skullet." 216.254.25.199 16:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Mullet picture
Yr using a picture of a FBI most wanted because it's public domain? Muahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ahahahahahahahahahahaha! Ahahahahahahahahaha! Oh dear God. Sometimes I love the subtle unintentional humour of Wikipedia.--I'll bring the food (Talk - Contribs - My Watchlist) 00:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

What happened to the list of famous mullets?
I haven't edited Wikipedia in a long time. What happened to the long list of famous mullets? (It's been reduced to a dozen or so.) Is this a thought-out editorial decision? I though the list was a great resource. I wanted to add Kurtis Blow to the list, but now I'm not sure if that's appropriate. dbtfz talk 02:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Mulfro
I.E. a mix between a mullet and afro. Should it be added? yes.124.190.128.32 01:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe the word you want is "frolet".RebelKnightCSA (talk) 19:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Repition.
The etymology section has the exact same information (in less detail actually) as the history section. I say remove the etymology or remove the content from history and place it in the etymology section.

Coupe Vanier?
It's said in the article that in Quebec city we say "Coupe Vanier". The thing is that I'm from Quebec city and I've never heard of such an expression. We also say "Coupe Longueuil" even in Quebec city. In fact, the general expression in the province is "coupe longueuil". I will erase it, because it lacks sources and is not accurate.VincentG 20:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody know how the mullet is called in Mexico? The most I know is that this hairstyle is related to "Los Bukis", an 80's band. So, it is called "mata Buki" (Buki bush, "mata" is slang for any long or fluffy hair do). Any ideas? Aldozamudio 21:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Aldo

Mullhawk
Theres a hairstyle called a mullhawk, its a mohawk that ends in a mullet —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.54.201.239 (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Etymology revisited
The term was used (that I can recall) at least since the late 80s here, and before that I was probably too young to recall. Is there any chance that the gaelic work moel (anglicised as mull) was the source? since the word dickhead is common, and then the dubious use of the mull of kintyre 'rule' it's possible that the reference initially was along the lines (though it could be applied to pony tails too) of suggesting the style looked a little like a dick at the back of one's head. Since the term mullet is usually used to some measure derogatively, I'd call for some inquiry as to it being a possible origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.106.150 (talk) 08:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Grammar...
Is this some kind of joke? Quote: "The Jheri Curl mullet applies to people with nappy hair. Jheri Curl solution is applied to make the curls bigger and to fix them in place. Pop musician Lionel Richie arguably had the most famous Jheri Curl mullet." What the heck does nappy mean? Should this be cleaned up, along with many other grammatical atrocities on this article? C$ 22:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

What the??
The overall quality (content wise and grammatically) of this article is horrific. 24.247.207.18 00:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I'm tempted to suggest the whole page be scrapped. Markfiend (talk) 08:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Mullets in Spain
"It is especially popular and even considered to be modern (vintage retro) in Portugal and in Spain and can be widely identified in the streets of cities like Barcelona .Also in Spain, the mullet is associated with two different ethnic groups: young Gypsies and young separatists from the Basque Country."

What the fuck!? That's not true. In Spain, that kind of haircut belong to "garrulos" and "gitanos". I don't know the words in English for both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorzas (talk • contribs) 10:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The bloke above says -and he is completely right- that mullet is only sported in Spain by gypsies and some gypsie-wannabe yokels known as "canis". I may add that it is also very popular between the younger basque ETA supporters. It's not considered modern at all, but subject of mockery by any fashion concerned individual or even anyone not directly involved in any of the three aforementioned groups.> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.177.158 (talk) 19:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Mullet - origins?
Off the northwest coast of County Mayo in Ireland, a small peninsula juts out into the Atlanta Ocean. In an 1818 map of Ireland in the University of Texas Library, its name is The Mullet. Yes, it does resemseble the haircut.

Sfcelticcrone 00:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC) sfcelticcrone

MacGuyver
Someone should add some references to the popular 80's action television show, MacGuyver. MacGuyver sported a mullet of various configurations throughout the entire run of the show, and should be a good example of a well-known media personality with a mullet.

I'd do it myself but I have had bad luck with Wikipedia admins rejecting my edits for no good reason and don't bother anymore. 118.90.26.200 (talk) 10:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

What about bono?
why is there no mention of Bono during the mid 80's? His is one of the most famous and talked about mullets of the past few decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.30.8 (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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Pokemones subculture
"Lately, it is used by the pokemones subculture."

This needs a source. It is hard to find reliable sources about this, but I did find a report by TVN over here. If anyone here can understand Spanish, does that report say anything about mullet haircut styles? Esn (talk) 11:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I speak enough Spanish to understand that news clip. It's about a group of kids with colored hair and bright shirts, who are changing the style of reggaeton. It has nothing to do with mullets and nothing to do with Pokemon save the nickname. Their hair is nothing like a mullet (try flat-ironed hipster hair). Please stop introducing original research into this and other articles. If you're that desperate for a source, you should probably reconsider the veracity and verifiability of your claims.1 --Cheeser1 (talk) 11:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Reputation
OK. In this article it says "aside from it reputation" or something like that. What exactly is it's reputation? Besides the fact that it's mocked constantly in the US? I don't have a mullet, and i never will, but I've never really got the joke. It would be nice if someone explained this "reputation", or just edit it out completely because it's far too vague of a reference. If it's just the fact that it's a bad haircut, so what? I see bad hair cuts every day and they aren't all mullets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.16.10.201 (talk) 10:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Taken Out
I took out the following information because it only serves to reinforce a sterotype rather the actually inform the article's reader

"The mullet is typically associated with the "Red States" of America, as illustrated by the satirical report "Blue State Blues as Coastal Parents Battle Invasion of Dollywood Values": "It was one day last spring, says Ellen McCormack. ''My life partner Carol and I were in the garage, working on a giant Donald Rumsfeld papier mache head for the Bay Area March Against the War, when Rain walked by. I thought he looked kind of strange, so I stopped him and looked closely into his eyes. Then I realized the truth &mdash; he was wearing a mullet. I was shocked, but he swore to me that it was only ironic. After a few months, it was clear Rain had lied to us &mdash; that hideous Kentucky Waterfall was completely earnest,'' she adds, choking back sobs ..."18:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this correct?
"There's nothing quite as bad as a bad haircut. And perhaps the worst of all is the cut we call the Mullet not scratch that the MULLET is the best haircut ever you can rock like Billy Ray did back in 1991 woohoo."

My own bold. That sounds like vandalism to me, but I'm not sure. --82.1.253.66 (talk) 22:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

What could you possibly add to a discussion about mullets that could be considered vandalism?