Talk:Multi-Environment Real-Time

"Mert" as a given name
Mert is a common name in Turkish that has many celebrities associated with it. I redirected MERT to Mert disambiguation page and correcting other pointing links accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MKS (talk • contribs) 20:12, 18 August 2008‎ (UTC)


 * Actually, MERT just comes here now; it's Mert that goes to the disambiguation page. Guy Harris (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

shared file
i just changed "shared file" to point to computer file as i assume thats whats meant? ie the 2 (unix type) process could commune via writing to a file they both had open'd? (btw nice article, i hadnt heard of it before. ta.) Mission Fleg (talk) 10:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what was meant. Sirgorpster (talk) 19:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

UNIX-RTR
This descendant of MERT is active today in wide range of Lucent products. This should be the main focus of the article and MERT should be a sub-paragraph. Sirgorpster (talk) 19:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Then make it so. Guy Harris (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

MERT was the basis of Bell Labs trunk routing in the early 1980s. No mention of that here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.202.180.104 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 14 February 2013‎ (UTC)


 * If you're familiar with that, feel free to mention it here. Guy Harris (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Microkernel or hypervisor?
The article currently starts with


 * The Multi-Environment Real-Time (MERT) operating system was one of the earliest to be constructed using an organizational concept that later became known as a "microkernel".

Aside from this not being a good introduction (I'll change it in a moment), this is not properly sourced. It has introduced in the original version of the article without a footnote; the only source for MERT being a (proto-)microkernel design is now, which I haven't been able to trace down using either GScholar or MS Academic Search. From what I read in other sources, I have the feeling that MERT was actually quite close to a hypervisor, a concept that had been used by IBM in commercial products a decade earlier, although I confess I've never seen a MERT system at work, nor am I an operating systems expert. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 11:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * In fact, Lycklama and Bayer cite CP-67 as prior art when it comes to their kernel design. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 11:45, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Having read some more I'm convinced that this system was microkernel-like in that it had message passing processes with privilege between kernel and supervisor. However, I still find the Altinsel source, added by 212.152.11.215, rather fishy, since I cannot find it online (not even references to it), except in Wikipedia clones. WorldCat doesn't know this Altinsel either. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 21:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Have you been able to find a journal named "Scientific Philosophy"? You presumably didn't find a paper titled "Scientific Philosophy" by any "M. Altinsel" if you didn't find Mr./Ms. Altinsel.  The first of 212.152.11.215's edits gave the author as "Mert Altinsel".  For what it's worth:


 * the address is, according to RIPE, assigned to Tele2;
 * there are some people in the US named "Mert Altinsel", although I didn't find anything about people in Sweden named "Mert Altinsel";


 * so I'm also a bit suspicious of that reference - perhaps 212.152.11.215 was just trolling. Guy Harris (talk) 22:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * No such journal in DuckDuckGo, Google, GScholar, MS Academic or DBLP. CiteSeerX and DBLP have no Altinsel. I'm concluding it's bunk and removing it. (It's been there for 8 years...) Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 22:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)