Talk:Multiverse (Marvel Comics)/Archive 1

False claim of vandalism
Netkinetic and Sceptre, do not stick vandalism templates on users' pages unless they're actually committing vandalism. This is regarding your unfair warnings to anon 67.167.58.37. If someone who appears otherwise to be a positive contributor takes an action that you disagree with, assume good faith and talk to them about it.

In case of a new false claim by both of you, I'll report you to administrators. Including you, Sceptre, which I will also report administrator abuse. Lesfer (talk) 03:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyediting
Starting this Talk page as this article is listed wanting copyediting. I've done one pass and only made two small grammatical changes and it appears what is most needed is expansion more than changes to structure. However, that's just my opinion.Markeer 02:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Where the heck do all those numbers come from? A LOT of citations are needed. We need the source of the numbers. It would be good to specify the comic each universe first appeared in or a series that featured it. (Given infinite possibilities, why do the numbers generally have only three or four digits?) Wryspy 06:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This article was in pretty good shape by the time I got to it, at least in terms of grammar, tone etc. I've done a light layer of additional copyediting. I'm not sure the tag is required anymore. What do people think? Metamagician3000 11:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Linguistically it's decent as of today, although I don't know how to remove the tag myself, my apologies.  I'd say leave the tag on for another week at most then get rid of it (if someone links me the instructions I'll do it myself next week).  I do think the article itself could use either a great deal of expansion to describe 'unknown number' worlds from the various issues of mainstream books, not to mention points about the common parallel worlds such as the Negative Zone, Arkon's world, etc.  Either that or change the title of the article to make it simply a list of worlds with known numbers, then link it largely through the "Earth-616" article (which is itself linked in a wide variety of comics articles at the moment).  As is, the article seems to be either too limited or too uncertain as to purpose.  Any thoughts?Markeer 19:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I saw this on the Comics WikiProject box, so I did some work. I've sorted out the wikilinks (hiding the disambig brackets with piped links) and added little bits on information where I know them. Only problem I've come across is with the Marvel 1602 section - I don't know the proper way to reference a real life work, so I just put the page/issue details in a bracket at the end of the note. (Been seeing a lot of [citation needed] tags recently, so I figured, hey, I have the book, why not look it up!) If someone could sort this out for me...? Thanks Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 02:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

To be really really picky - Earth-X is not a Alternative future but an alternative universe (this is revealed in paradise-x 11).

Some have gotten confirmed
Some have gotten confirmed in various Handbook besides the alternate Earth one.

I know. The Alternate Universes Handbook had the most. I try and add when something was confirmed like the Exiles have confirmed the two new alternate 2099 and New universe dimensions.

Originalsinner 01:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

More Confirmed Matters
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=33307&page=2&pp=20

"Marvel Encyclopedia Vol. 6: Fantastic Four gives quarter-page profiles to the following alternate Earths:

Earth X* Earth 1602 A.D.* Earth 2099 A.D.* Earth-A (Alter-Earth)* Earth-Bullpen Earth-Challengers of Doom Earth-Fantastic Five (Spider-Man)* Earth-Ultimate Earth-1961 A.D. Earth-Five for the Future Earth-Alternate Powers Earth-Larval* Earth-Mangaverse* Earth-MC2* Earth-Mutant X* Earth-Reed Richards' Rocket Group

The Alternate Earths Appendix covers the following:

Earth-712: Earth S* Earth-8810 (the Time Bubble, which has its own profile in the book) Earth-962: Amalgam Earth-1000 (Domination Factor #3.5) Earth-99476: Dino World Earth-312 (Exiles #35) Earth-95121 (Fantastic Force #12) Earth-95122 (Fantastic Force #12) Earth-616 Earth-6311: Other-Earth* Earth-74101: Machus Earth-7412 (merged Machus & Femizonia) Earth-9061 (FF #341) Earth-944 (FF #387) Earth-967 (FF #414) Earth-1112 (FF v3 #47) Earth-1115 (FF v3 #47) Earth-1116: Atlanterra (FF v3 #47) Earth-110 (Fantastic Four: Big Town) Earth-33 (Fantastic Four: Unstable Molecules) Earth-9511 (Last Avengers Story)* Earth-691 (Guardians of the Galaxy)* Earth-7940 (Marvel Two-in-One #50) Earth-715: Femizonia Earth-7888: Earth-M (Silver Surfer: Parable) Earth-36 (Startling Stories: The Thing: Night Falls on Yancy Street) Earth-811: Days of Future Past* Earth-774 (What If v1 #2) Earth-808 (What If v1 #22) Earth-8222 (What If v1 #31) Earth-82801 (What If v1 #34) Earth-8321 (What If v1 #37) Earth-8312 (What If v1 #42) Earth-9031 (What If v2 #11) Earth-9032 (What If v2 #11) Earth-9033 (What If v2 #11) Earth-9034 (What If v2 #11) Earth-907 (What If v2 #15) Earth-9011 (What If v2 #18) Earth-912 (What If v2 #22) Earth-917 (What If v2 #27) Earth-91111 (What If v2 #30) Earth-91112 (What If v2 #30) Earth-929 (What If v2 #41) Earth-938 (What If v2 #51) Earth-952 (What If v2 #70) Earth-9510 (What If v2 #78) Earth-969 (What If v2 #89) Earth-989 (What If v2 #89) Earth-97102 (What If v2 #100) Earth-9811 (What If v2 #114)"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Enda80 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

More confirmed Earth
Earth-98151 confired in the Authority's entry in Handbook A-Z#1.

The 60's Handbook confirms Colossus' Earth-60672.

It also confirms Earth-829, Earth-6966, Earth-7888, and Earth-982.

Benny Beckley's A-Z entry confirms Earth-9997.

Blaquesmith's entry confirms Earth-4935, 811, and 295.

Bella Donna confirms Earth-9921.

Brood confirms Earth-1191.

Abraxas confirms a few.

Amhotep confirms Earth-4321.

Earth-2311 confirmed by Jack the Ripper's Horror Handbook entry.

24.147.66.140 (talk) 11:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Merged with Marvel Alternate Universe Continuum
Hello all, I merged the contents (a large majority of the content on both pages were virtually identical) of Marvel Alternate Universe Continuum into this article, and added a redirect from the other page towards this page. Please review to make sure all the contents have been assimilated correctly, I reviewed each Earth to make sure all that was listed on one page was included in the other. However, having a second pair of eyes always helps. Regards. Netkinetic 04:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Earth 717
I believe this should be kept. Via Google, I've found the original Newsarama article that calls the 2005 What Ifs universe by this number - Newsarama preview - and also an interview with the writer of the first issue featuring Captain America, where he names it as Earth 717 - ComicBookResources.com interview with Tony Bedard. Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 13:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Material removed from Marvel Comics Universe
I got rid of anything that was not redundant on the MCU page and I just added a redirect from Marvel Comics Multiverse as well j-beda 15:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Divergence
Most alternate realities are based on 616 until the point of divergence. Once this happens, the future is permanently turned into an alternate reality. Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, Cable's future and Bishop's future are all different futures based on 616, which immediately become an alternate universe. Any attempt to travel in to the future or from the future to the past will create this, so there is no true future of 616 until it is actually written. Nothing in a future prediction story is ever destined to happen once it is created, because it branches off immediately. Jean Grey doesn't have to have any children to "fulfill the future." You could say that travelling back to prevent an event from happening does nothing except create a reality where the event already happened, while you continue in the unwritten 616 present. Snikt! is an example where Wolverine is not required to prevent anything in the present, because a different future already exists seperate from what will happen in 616. Why don't events that caused the future tend to cause it again in present day? With the amount of new variables introduced from time travellers, dimension travellers, heroes and villains being revived or retconned, and different reactions of heroes or civilians to situations, the same chain of events causing one future is unlikely to happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihavenolife (talk • contribs) 01:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Devos
A disambig for Devos has been created. A link points from this article to the disambiguation. Please help to fix it. Thanks. --Edcolins 21:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ben Grimm reference
I don't think the Ben Grimm reference is right. It points to the thing... Or is this correct?

"Earth-989 What If? vol. 1 #109 (1989) Ben Grimm stays in Liddleville. "


 * Well, Ben Grimm is The Thing in the normal (and most other) continuities so I'd assume yes. Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 19:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You cannot make ANY assumptions about alternate realities. Wryspy 02:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You do have a point there. Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 16:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Omniverse
Where is the proof of this? It sounds fictional and created by a vandal. Please post a link prooving the existance of this bizzare Universe known as the Omniverse.


 * Can't link to a Marvel Handbook... actually this is what appeared in the appendix of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes. . That site is by the guy who writes the Official Marvel Handbooks.

Originalsinner 23:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Earth-928 and 1191 removal?
What's up with that? This whole table is getting pretty big and we should figure out a way to make it neater, but why were these removed? - j-beda 15:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think moving the minor What-If worlds to a seperate list (perhaps List of What If Multiverse designations?) what do well, as there are hundreds of them, seen in print once or twice then forgotten. Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 16:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think an entirely new list may be a bit much. Breaking up this list into a few categories would make much more sense.  69.183.124.119 19:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've put 928 and 1191 back in after looking at the Alternate Universes Handbook. They are in there so they rightfully should be returned in here.  Originalsinner 23:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Earth-2005117?? Cite!
Waiiiit a second. Earth-what now? Is someone making up numbers? Whether OHOTMU Alternate Universes or Exiles or some other canonical source, there need to be citations on these. Otherwise just don't give them numbers. -HKMarks 04:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Seriously. These are clearly just based on the broadcast dates for the pilot episode - google yields no hits for these Earth names except this article itself and mirrors of it, and I can't imagine what Marvel publication would have featured them. The same, quite frankly, applies to all the "What If" and "Wha-Huhs" that have been added in recent memory. I'm very, very tempted to just remove these until cites are offered. - Chris McFeely 02:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Devil Dinosaur
According to this article, both 78411 and 7841 are the home Earth of Devil Dinosaur, with the same reference title for both. Which is it? Darquis 05:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Revision 2/3/2007
Just revised the entire listing, verifying either the original source of the number ("First numbered") or a canon reference where they confirm a possibly pre-existing number ("Numbered"). I also deleted several universes from the listing that were unofficially designated by the Appendix site (or other fans), but not yet confirmed in OHOTMU. I haven't gone through the All-New OHOTMU, so I don't know all the universe numbers that were designated in there. JEB215 04:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Just revised it again, deleted more unverifiable numbers, need a source on Earths 295 and 58163 (I know I've seen them somewhere, but I don't have a specific source). Everything else on this list is sourced, directly or indirectly. Also added Earth-617 (from the recent Doc Samson mini). JEB215 06:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Found the reference for 58163. JEB215 07:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC) And for 295. Now it's completely sourced. JEB215 07:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Marvels/Ruins
Have those alternate realities been marked yet? - !Malomeat 22:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe Marvels is considered part of main (Earth-616) continuity.--RedKnight 18:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Earth-9904
Added Earth-9904, What if #9 "What if the Avengers were formed in the 1950s"--RedKnight 18:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

universes without numbers
I think we should include a mention of universes that don't have numbers, such as the universes of the various animated series, video games and movies. Does anyone agree with me? 218.215.146.184 01:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I´m not sure. Some may coexist, but it´s hard to differentiate. - !Malomeat 01:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, unless a different section is desired to list issues which display universes that do not appear to fit into the current list... but then the article begins to resemble a forum, which is not desirable.--RedKnight 01:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Emplate's dimension
What about Emplante's dimension? As we see in Generation-X, M's vampiric brother is connected to a dimension filled with creatures that torture him. And then we have Dormammu's dimension. And What about Dormammu and Mephisto?
 * Dormammu is the self-proclaimed lord of the Dark Dimension, Mephisto is the ruler of an extradimensional realm of Hell.--RedKnight (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Earth-82432
I don't know how to edit, but I thought I would tell you guys that that universe was featured in What if (Vol.1) #32 April 1982 (What if the avengers had become pawns of Korvac). So maybe one of you who know how to edit it can. Lustpuppet 15:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Lustpuppet
 * As far as I know the story did not receive a specific designation--RedKnight (talk) 23:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected, Earth-82432 is the designation for the Earth you mention.--RedKnight (talk) 00:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Marvel animated universe
does anyone know which universe is for Marvel animated universe, which had the 1990's animated showsGman124 05:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It has not yet been given a number in any canon source that I'm aware of. I know the Adventures of the X-Men comic suggested it was the universe that existed before the current Earth-616 universe (the one Galactus came from), but no number was provided. JEB215 04:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This would include the older Marvel Age titles and all the new series under the Marvel Adventures banner which are aimed at a younger audience.--RedKnight 01:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Update: Just added "Earth-9411" from the All-New OHOTMU #7. It's only 100% the world of the U.K. Spectacular Spider-Man comic, but that comic is based on the Spider-Man animated series, which premiered in November 1994. So I'd say it's a pretty safe guess that this is the Marvel Animated universe. JEB215 01:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I would be careful with this designation as obviously not all animated features could possibly take place on one Earth--RedKnight (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Duckworld
How can you possibly forget Howard the Duck in all of this mess? His planet of origin, Duckworld, is described in The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe #5 (H-J) as "the alternate Earth known only as Duckworld.  Fukuto.jones 18:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC) f.j'''
 * Duckworld resides in an alternate dimension and I have added an entry for it--RedKnight (talk) 00:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No Duckworld is alternate reality so it can't be listed in dimension listing and as its designation is not revealed it can't be added to the reality list. --80.221.239.213 (talk) 22:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

House of M
Where did the designation Earth-58163 for the House of M arc come from? As far as I know and can confirm (from Tom Brevoort himself) the House of M storyline is not a divergent line but was a aberrant within the Earth-616 continuity and not longer exists in any real sense.--RedKnight 15:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Good old Marvel. The 1602-verse wasn't an alternate universe either - it WAS 616, and even though it was given to Uatu as a pocket dimension to 'live on', it still happened as 616 - but the Marvel Handbook to Alternate Realities has given all of these various happenings their own universe number. Even things like the New Universe, and the Ultimate Universe, which are Entirely Utterly No-Crossovers-Ever Outside of the MU have been given numbers... I think we can probably blame Exiles for that! Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 13:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I hava a copy of The Official Handook Of The Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes 2005 and I do not see any entry for an Earth-58163. In fact the Ultimate Universe is not mentioned either.  Is it possible that you are refering to another source?--RedKnight 21:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I remember seeing the Ultimate Universe on one of the telescreens in the Exiles' HQ, and it definitely has a number when referenced in the large hardcover encyclopedias (not the Dorling Kindersley ones, the offical Marvel ones) - I have the Fantastic Four one, though its currently 150 miles away at home so I can't double check the entry. (It's this one.) As for the House of M number... I don't honestly know, but there is a reference to it in the Captain Britain Corps article, which itself mentions it in connection to Uncanny X-Men 462, perhaps it is numbered in there? Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 13:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is that this has become a topic of debate in the ComixFan forum and the validity of this page is questionable in general but specifically to this individual entry. Tom Brevoort himself said that he suspected that this designation was probably made up.  Current understanding is that the House of M did not diverge from Earth-616 but is still considered an abberation within the 616 continuity.  All happenings within the House of M 'reality' were erased and did not happen.  Very few within the existing 616 continuity even remember the incident.  I will attempt to confirm in Uncanny X-Men #462 as you suggest, but perhaps someone else can confirm or deny this entry as my back issues are in disarray?
 * Further to your statement, what appears to be the Ultimate Universe on a screen in an issue of Exiles does not mean that it was the Ultimate Universe unless it is actually stated as such, but for this entry I will leave it to your judgement as I do not have the large Encyclopedia's for reference.--RedKnight 16:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to be a nit-picker or anything, but has this issue been resolved yet?

A user has restored the 58163 designation for the House of M, and added several numbers for the "joke" worlds from last year's "Wha-Huh?" Now, am I just being cynical and untrusting, or have these actually been officially stated somewhere? Chris McFeely 00:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably in one of the new Marvel Handbooks. Many of the old What If 'joke' worlds have been given numbers in the Encyclopedias, so it doesn't surprise me that the new ones have designations too. That said, I can't verify any of them as being correct as I don't have the material. Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 08:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The House of M designation number has been confirmed with the lest version of the OHTTMU: A-Z as Earth-58163. The 'joke worlds' of Wha...huh? are listed on www.marvunapp.com due to the limited subject matter have not yet and probably will not be made official and their usage is of little issue.

Personally I'm wondering where the designation for the Ultimate Universe is taken from, hopefully from somewhere else and not just the screens in the background of an issue of Exiles.
 * I have confirmed that Ultimate Marvel has a designation of Earth-1610, in the Fantastic Four Marvel Encyclopedia.--RedKnight 23:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is an outstanding argument as to whether the House of M has the designaiton of Earth-58163 or Reality-58163 (though I fail to understand the distinction)--RedKnight 23:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if you still want to know the difference with Earth and Reality designations that you can see in the comics. When there is Earth before the number usually means that realitys Earth and nothing else but its also used some sorces as the reality number. When they say reality and number they usually mean the whole reality not just earth. So in House of M situation it would have been Earth-58163 and not Reality-58163 as the earth was only place seen. Still many people see Earth and Reality as the same thing as Earth designation is older way to sort them out but comic book makers are starting to use Reality designation more as it really means the whole alternate reality and not just the planet Earth. --80.221.239.213 (talk) 22:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger
It would be a good idea to have only one page concerting this stuff. Merge JQF 18:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree they should be merged, presumably with this article being the 'main' one as it has been more thoroughly fleshed out. I'd say someone can take the info from the Multiverse (Marvel Comics) article, add it here, and then delete the other article. - Markeer 05:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Surely now that the list of different Earths has grown to such an extent, this page should be split in two, in a manner similar to the Multiverse (DC Comics)/List of DC Multiverse worlds...? ntnon (talk) 17:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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Captain Britain
I'm pretty sure it's incorrect to say the Multiverse started with issues of Captain Britain. It started with Alan Moore's Captain Britain stories in issues of Mighty World of Marvel, I think.Hobson 01:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe you are correct, but can you provide a specific issue for a more direct occurance?--RedKnight (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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How do you make a new topic? Anyway shouldnt the first app. for Earth-616 be Marvel Comics 1 (1939) ?
 * Retroactively, yes this is a very reasonable and logical statement. This is the similar reasoning when discussion Earth-Two in DC comics. --RedKnight (talk) 00:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Marvel Handbook Hardcovers (2008)
Hi all

I was wondering about the new appendixes (is that the plural for appendix?) that appear in the Marvel Handbook Hardcover additions released this year starting with volume 2. The thing is... it's going to make this page EXTREMELY longer than it already is. StarSpangledKiwi (talk) 21:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Too technical
Some terminology in this article appears to be too technical and requires an in-depth knowledge of the terms involved, which makes the article less useful for a general readership which may actually be trying to find out what the terms mean from this page. Xantharius (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Tabulation and 616/DC dates, titles and origins
I wonder if it would be of help to separate out the "origin" year into a separate column so that the table can be arranged by date...? Or would that be needlessly confusing? Similarly, the entry for the DC Universe is confusing - and wrong. Fair enough, it could be argued to have appeared within the framework of the Marvel Universe in JLA/Avengers, and that Earth was the revised one created in Zero Hour, BUT. First of, New Fun #1 was the first DC publication, but didn't (as far as I'm aware) debut the DC Universe. I strongly suspect that Action #1 or Detective #1 would be better candidates. (Character wise, Slam Bradley was in DC #1, but Superman was probably the touchpaper of the DCU-proper. Character interaction displaying the shared universe wasn't until All Star Comics #3, though.) Moreover, Spider-man met with Superman around 25 years before JLA/Avengers, and that was not the only meeting between the Universes. Even assuming that the one-offs can be retroactively classified as Elseworlds (as per one of the Batman/Daredevils, and hence both, and hence..), the DC vs. Marvel event clearly showed the two Universes co-existing, before the Amalgamation (which is listed here) - all pre-dating JLA/Avengers. So the DC entry is several kinds of inaccurate. Equally, while Namor did feature in Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, his "first true appearance" was Marvel Comics #1. I forget when precisely it was established that characters could interact, but the 616-proper would be much more accurately dated to the "true" Marvel debut of FF #1 than back-dated as it currently is. It's all a bit confused and confusing, but it is definitely currently wrong for both of those key 'Earths', even if it's difficult to suggest what to put in place. ntnon (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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Two errors
Belasco's realm where Illanya Rasputin-616 grew up is listed both as a seperate universe, and as a "pocket dimension."

The "What If?" where Wolverine becomes a vampire is listed twice, as two different universes, and refereces two different issues of the magazine. I don't have the correct information available, so I won't correct this error. 96.60.70.254 (talk) 01:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Earth-26496?
I've read that The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Volume 4 labels the world of The Spectacular Spider-Man (TV series) as Earth-26496. Since I don't have access to the said handbook, thus mine's only a second-hand account, I'm not saying to add Earth-26496. Rather, I figured maybe one of you who does have the handbook could look this up to confirm/disprove it and add the univesre to/leave the universe out of the article. --DanMat6288 (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Marvel Universes pertaining to other media
I usually drop by Marvel Database, and I noticed they have their own universe designations to Marvel characters appearing in other media. For example: the 90s X-Men cartoon is designated as "Earth-92131", while the X-Men movie series is "Earth-10005".

My question is: should these be added to the listing too?189.82.66.82 (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Further Streamlining.
I yanked the Definitions section -- as per the boxes at the top of the page, it's really little more than an overly complicated segue that has little to do with the main thrust of the article and is frankly what the Search field is for -- and re-ordered the opening paragraphs for a better flow. Additionally given the 2009 Savage She-Hulk mini, I think there's enough to cite a basic structure to the multiverse (branchs as opposed to strictly parallel). Misterandersen (talk) 16:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Further, I think it might be an option to cull the list of AUs down to a small number of significant 'verses -- so any one from which a currently published or otherwise significant character hails from -- with a new page containing the full listing. If you want to go that way and get rid of those anoying suggestion boxes. Misterandersen (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Transformers, and Binary Earth 69
Notes on a few changes:
 * Earth-120185
 * The "first appearance" of Earth-120185 is currently listed as The Transformers (US) #1, but the Earth name/numbering derives from The Transformers (UK) #9 (first non-US story printed in the UK.)
 * The Marvel UK and Marvel US TF series are explicitly separate universes, even though many stories (such as the first 8 issues of the UK comic) occur in both universes.
 * I'm switching the "First Appearance" to UK #9. This Earth designation was chosen specifically to distinguish the TFUK Universe from the TFUS one.  (It first appeared in Death's Head's Marvel Handbook entry in relation to his visit to the TFUK universe.  Death's Head never visited the TFUS universe.)
 * If this becomes an issue in the future, I suggest either dual-crediting the "first appearance" as TFUK #9 / TFUS #1, or crediting the first appearance as TFUK#1. (The latter is less accurate for complex in-continuity reasons, but probably less confusing.)
 * FWIW, while the TFUS universe remains un-numbered, fans have speculated on the following proper designations: (in order of diminishing likelihood) Earth-984, Earth-986, Earth-890, Earth-490.
 * The Transformers Multiverse has its own numbering system for categorizing Universes, in which the TFUS universe is "Primax 984.0 Gamma", so if you really need to refer to it explicitly for some reason, I suppose that can serve as a "least wrong" handle.

-Deriksmith (talk) 04:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Earth-01000101
 * The first appearance of this Earth is incorrect, it's Incredible Hulk #600, not Savage Se-Hulk v2 #2.
 * This is the only Earth with a padding 0 before it's number-designation. The natives of Earth-01000101 evolved from binary computers-- this is clearly a binary 1-byte representation of the Earth number, so I'm moving it up the list to "Earth-69" also known as Earth-01000101, with the quotes to distinguish that the prior hasn't properly been used.

Earth-616's first apperance
I noticed someone listed Motion Picture Funnies 1 (the first apperance of Sub-Mariner) as Earth-616's first apperance. Considering Motion Pictures Funnies 1 was never released I don't think it should count as pre-dating Marvel Comics 1. Also it's the same story in both, just a few extra pages in Marvel Comics 1. 24.69.152.57 (talk) 20:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Gambit from Weapon X
So which one is it? Earth 371 or Earth 731? Both are listed as his reality of origin. So either one is wrong, or some disambiguation is needed. - Sunyavadin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.210.64 (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Earth-20152
Unless I'm missing if for some reason, there is no mention of Earth-20152 in the "Elf With A Gun" biography.RedKnight (talk) 15:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Was this referenced
http://www.marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm
 * I have confirmed with those who maintain marvunapp that although they have an extensive list of Earths not otherwise published, that the listing on the site is essentially a working copy and unless an Earth designation actually sees print, it is unofficialRedKnight (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix force and the Marvel Multiverse
One of the key concepts in the Excalibur comic (vol. 1, 1988–1998) was there was only one Phoenix Force in the Marvel multiverse with all variants being implied as being from other timelines (sort of like Oa was in DC's pre-Crisis multiverse). Now we have Phoenix forces scattered throughout the Marvel Multiverse. Has this inconstancy ever been acknowledged or explained?--BruceGrubb (talk) 10:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Over time, the Writers of Marvel have been rather sloppy with keeping up with what other writers have written before them. At one time -circa the events of "The Thanos Quest" there was supposedly only one Thanos, too. A recent "What If" (showed up on shelves 29 Dec 2010), not to mention Marvel Zombies IV, showed that where there was originally only "our" Watcher watching over all the various What If scenarios on alternate Earths, now there are several 'alternate' Watchers as well. I wouldn't trouble yourself further on the issue if I were you.

Movie Universes
i know we have them for the Spiderman movies and the X-men movies but what about all the other Marvel Movies.... origional spiderman, Hulk, Fantastic four... and many more earlier ones... do they not get there own universe??? --- 88.108.244.99 11:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Typically Movie adaptations are considered non-continuity. One issue with giving them designations is that interaction between the various characters and teams, which should be possible, would not be likely due to the various production companies involved in the making of the films; for example Spider-Man is distributed by Sony, X-Men is distributed by 20th Century Fox.  With this factor in place, what should typically be a single Earth designation for the movies would end up requiring multiple designations.  Simply put, do to their independence from the comic book stories, Earth designations are simply not needed.--RedKnight 22:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If that were the case, then why have I come accross a Wikia source with multiple pages claiming the Spider-Man movies to have been assigned the universe title "Earth-200253"? Is this misinformation? DanMat6288 (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It is misinformation. The wikia site is the Marvel Database, where they have taken it on themselves to make up their own numbers for unidentified worlds. Quoting members on their message boards "I'm halfway tempted to propose we assign them numbers based on first publication date. We'll ultimately know if we're an influential resource if people start using our numbers." "we thought up a long time ago, that if a universe was unknown and not listed anywhere that we would just name it and try to be consistent with it that other sites caught on and it just "became" canon." So, in other words, make it up, and hope the misinformation spreads to other information sites. And apparently, they are succeeding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.99.11 (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In the latest hardcover handbooks many non-comic materials have been assigned designations including movies, television programs, novels, and even RPG modules. RedKnight (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This makes sense now that Marvel Studios is making movies that cross over with each other. Spekkio (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Given the varied movies, we should consider adding in the movie designations. If nothing else, checking the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe for official designations.  If they aren't listed there, then likely they need no listing.  Or perhaps a catch-all listing that mentions that the movies may be from one or more divergent universes.Jhaiisiin (talk) 04:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Earth-0
Earth-0 is the Designation for the Universe before the Big Bang. The Place Galan (now Galactus), D'Spayre and the Dweller-in-Darkness came from. The DC-Universe does not have a Designation of this kind. The Events of JLA/Avengers are mentioned in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. The DC-Universe is referred to as an Universe from a different Multiverse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.193.174.21 (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

What huh...?
Ref There are tons of What if Universes and now we also have what huh universes..... Shouldn't we have a different page for it already? Anyways, add these if you want, but i find these too silly to add in this list 200500 All Avengers have Beard 200501 Ultimate Ultimate Universe 200511 MODOK had an itch 200513 FF reach Moon (and die) 200515 Marvel Aged Real Time 200525 Emma Frost reads Nick Thompson's thoughts (the hell why is this even given a name?) Anyone knows what is the name of the Universe in which Aunt Petunia is killed by Impossible Man? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RanmaRaj (talk • contribs) 01:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Earth-666 wrong -- changed to Earth-98091
Not sure where anyone got the number 666, it isn't listed in any official source. 'The Supernaturals' took place on Earth-98091. I do not have a first-hand source at the moment, but I will hunt it down unless someone has it off-hand. RogueBurger (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

The Mighty Avengers
To which universe belong the The Mighty Avengers? 178.192.107.70 (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

DC's Universe Error
In this article there are a few universes that are mixes of Marvel's Earth-616 and DC's main continuity.

In the page it states both times that DC's main continuity is Earth-0 which is currently incorrect. It originally was Earth 1, then merged with Earth 2 and became merged Earth 1. Earth 0 was a Bizarro Earth. Then another bunch of Earth's fused and became New Earth/Earth 0. After the big recent DC reboot, the New 52, they made a new multiverse map. Prime Earth is the new main continuity and it fuses old Earths like Earth 0 with a few other Earths. Now there is no Earth 0 to be seen. bhegeta) 11:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.40.249 (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Universes involving other media not listed with or without number designation
From TV shows and movies, the following are missing:

Ultraforce (1990's Cartoon)

Men in Black (Movie Franchise)

Men in Black (1999 Cartoon)

Captain America (1990's Unreleased Cartoon)

Ultimate Spider-Man (2012 Cartoon)

Wolverine and The X-Men: Xavier's Apocalyptic Future

Universes from final arc of Spider Man: The Animated Series other than Earth-38119.(6-arm Spiderman, Octopus Spider-Man, Armored Spider-Man, Animated Scarlet Spider, Crazed-Symbiote Peter Parker)

From videogames, these are some of the missing:

Parker Brothers' Spider-Man (1982, Atari 2600)

Acclaim's Marvel (1989-1995)

Sega's Spider-Man & X-Men (1989-1994)

Data East's Avengers (1991, 1995)

Activision's Spider-Man (2000)

X-Men: Mutant Academy (2001)

X-Men: Destiny (2011)

Spider-Man Videogames of the 7th Generation and its universes and timelines

In addition, Capcom's Marvel video games (X-Men Children of the Atom, X-Men Mutant Apocalypse, Marvel Super Heroes, MSH War of the Gems, X-Men Vs Street Fighter, MSH vs SF, Marvel Vs Capcom, MVC 2) seem to happen in the same continuity. However, they are not listed as a separate universe or in the same as MVC3. Does Earth-96169 exist only for that installment of the series?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.165.86.27 (talk) 00:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

DC Universe Error Take 2
Earth-616 crossed-over with Post-Zero Hour DC Universe and Heroes Reborn/Counter-Earth (also in the same universe of 616) crossed-over with the original Wildstorm Universe.

In a point of view, Earth-616 never crossed-over with Earth 1, or Earth 2 or any of the Infinite Earths, nor the Earth of the Crisis on Infinite Earths aftermath. Although some inhabitants of the new multiverse remembered events of the Post-Zero Hour DC Universe, it is debatable or unknown if the crossover also happened in the new continuities, namely New Earth/Earth-0 and Earth-50, and then Prime Earth.

However, if you consider that Post-Zero Hour DC Universe was the merged "Infinite Multiverse" and the 52 and New 52 is the shattered Post-Zero Hour DC Universe, then it happened with the whole DC Universe, past, present, future and beyond. Maybe an official word from DC is needed on this subject.

I suggest that the description for Amalgam Earth should not have the line in parenthesis: "(in 1995 it was merged Earth 1, 2006 New Earth/Earth 0, Prime Earth currently)"

The final entry in the list, "The DC Universe" should be changed as well but the question is how. Should the Post-Zero Hour DC Universe and the Wildstorm Universe be listed separately? Should the 2 former universes be mentioned within a single entry for "The DC Universe" (without the note "now known as Prime Earth" which is completely wrong)? Either way, first appearances should also be fixed, but, should it have the first appearance of the whole DC Universe from 1935, the first appearance of the Post Crisis Earth, the Post Zero Hour Crisis Earth, the first Wildstorm, Worldstorm reboot, The 52 and The New 52? Or just the first appearance of the whole DC Universe and the first of Wildstorm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.165.86.27 (talk) 01:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Printed official media which is unassigned
Some examples are the following:

Spider-Man: The Manga (1970)

Hulk: The Manga (1971)

X-Men: The Manga (1998)

Spider-Man J (2004)

Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane (2004)

Spider-Man: India (2004)

Aircel Comics (Men in Black)

Centaur/Genesis Universe

Furthermore, is not stated if Earth-93060 is the original Ultraverse or the post-Black September Ultraverse or if "both" are the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.165.86.27 (talk) 02:02, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Earth-79203 - Battle Fever J???
It is marked as not yet official. We need official word from Marvel that this continuity is part of the Marvel Multiverse. If so, that would imply that every Super Sentai show from Gorenger to Kyoryuger (many of which are borrowed for the Power Rangers Continuity) are part of the Marvel Multiverse.

I suggest two major changes in the article. The addition of a separate list for the "unconfirmed" and "Not yet official" numbers and the removal of the entry for "Movie universes" (right above the DC Universe one). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.165.86.27 (talk) 19:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit of October 1st, 2013
I took the liberty to make a major edit to the article. I added a separate section of universes that do not have a citable reference. Is by no means 100% accurate. Some pages (like Marvel Wikia) which are fan maintained, use rumored, unofficial and other numbering for classification purposes, these cannot be citable, forum posts are also not citable as an official source. It has to be a Marvel official publication such as the handbooks, to comply with Wikipedia's goals. I also revised some spelling. I hope this can improve this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.165.86.27 (talk) 23:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Is the list necessary?
The list seems to be way too plot oriented and filled with original research in many cases for a general encyclopedia, and it should be removed or culled down to like twenty of the more noted universes. I'm going to try to be bold in removing it, but I doubt that will stick. TTN (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't really know what Wikipedia's rules on stuff like that are, but I do know that I used the list here as a reference quite a bit, and it's sad that it's gone. 24.118.141.162 (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * How about this? List of Marvel Comics alternate universes Editor2020 (talk) 03:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You can always check the previous version with the history tab, at your own risk, the info is not 100% accurate or reliable. The above link was deleted (after it was re-created). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.117.198 (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The whole idea for the massive edit of October was precisely to make evident how inaccurate the info was and how extensive the list is. The split was indeed necessary. I don't think the article should be merged again, but if the article with the list is to stay, all information should be checked with official sources, I noticed much of it comes from fan sites which even makes their own numbers. Thank goodness for that edit, it made it finally possible to be noted after so many years and many took the information as accurate and as reference.

The Cosmology Compendium
I removed this link. http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/time_links.html. After a good reading I realized it is a fan attempt to summarize the universes in the Omniverse, not just Marvel, DC and some others as well as characters from legends, folklore  and literature. Much of the information is speculated (it is stated in the page itself) and some "timelines" seem to be fan-fiction. The information on this page was borrowed for the deleted list (which explains plot orientation, over-explanation and unofficial numberings and names); some of that info also appears in the List of DC Multiverse worlds, which is also awfully extensive and includes worlds not officially listed within the 52 (which spans over 60 worlds in the page) and The New 52 (which has many "unknown" entries). In addition, there's also an unclassified section including many speculated universes (such as Post-Crisis Earth/Earth Sigma and the soviet versions). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.137.95 (talk) 00:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Who took it upon themselves to gut this article?
This article used to be an invaluable reference for the plethora of alternate realities that have seen print over the decades in Marvel Comics. Now, no doubt due to increasingly restrictive notions of editors regarding "notability", it has been gutted down to a page that pays lip service to the existence of multiple realities in Marvel Comics, but only acknowledges a bare handful of them. No, I'm not going to revert the page and start an edit war, as that's counter-productive, especially where comics articles are concerned; every comics reader thinks their favorites are important and dismisses anything else by waving the "notability" flag around. I just thought it should be noted by someone how this article has been stripped down to almost nothing, compared to what it was. -- Pennyforth (talk) 08:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of the information was not official, unsourced, fan researched or fan created, not to mention it was too extensive, thus, failing some of the encyclopedic qualities that Wikipedia is aiming. Of course every universe in the Marvel Multiverse is important as it plays a role important to the mainstream universes. However, only a handful are such mainstream continuities. Wikipedia is an online universal reference encyclopedia, not a comic book specialized encyclopedia. The best that you could do is add links with that information with a good reliability (unlike The Cosmology Compendium). I suggest to take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Marvel_Comics_alternate_universes

Secret Wars 2015
For the sake of the article, I suggest that any info added regarding this upcoming saga (as of April 2015), should be added after the whole saga has been released in order to avoid an "edit war" and that the article could be free from speculative information at least for the duration of the publication. Should be noted a recent edit (03:32, 24 April 2015‎) that included a plot rundown and seemed to be advertising the premiere of the saga instead of adding a short description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.249.162.36 (talk) 19:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Earth-12041
I was reading previous sections of this page and one of them talked about how the Marvel Database Wiki makes up Earth designations. Is Earth-12041 a canon designation? I can't remember if it was in the Official Handbook or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batman3095 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Two different numbers for Amalgam Earth
The Amalgam Universe is referred to as 692 and 9602. Since 692 has cited references, can somebody provide a citation for 9602 or remove it? CovenantD 04:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think that one has been visited by the Exiles' World Tour arc, but if it has then that is probably why. All the universes they are visiting, while practically identical to the ones that the readers know, are "very close approximations" and are being given new numbers. Things like the New Universe are going to start having double numbers in this list soon... Satan&#39;s Rubber Duck 13:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't the Amalgam Universe actually created twice? I don't have the issues handy, but a remember the Spider-Boy and Amazon stuff, but then there was the weird mergeance with characters like Bishop-Superman which I believe was in DC vs Marvel #3 which would be the Earth-9602.  I believe both numbers are valid.--RedKnight 20:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Amalgam was created thrice. Once in DC Vs Marvel #3, next in All Access #3 and last in Unlimited Access. DC Vs Marvel version was supposedly destroyed and converted into All Access version which was preserved inside Access. In Unlimited Access series there is reference of the back story of Redwing and Bat-X although neither is a part of the former versions (Batman was amalgamated with different characters all 3 times).... That makes them unique dimensions of each other in the least and different universes at the most RanmaRaj (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Amalgam was only created once and it was a multiverse in its own and it's the "second" Amalgam Universe. This was a stable independent version of the original which was Marvel and DC Universes merged (therefore, Marvel and DC are the shattered original Amalgam Universe). It retained most of its continuity (if not all). Within this new universe, in Challengers of the Fantastic #1, Reed Richards is watching an "Earth Two" in which he sees a present in which a heroic age started in WWII and the descendants form Infinity Kickers. Lobo the Duck happens in an alternate timeline in which all the heroes of Amalgam Earth were killed. Dark Claw Adventures suggests there is an Amalgam Comics Animated Universe (Amalgam of the DCAU and Marvel Animation from the 1990's) produced by "Fox Bros.". The fake letters to the editors also suggest an Amalgam Real World where Amalgam comics have been published instead of DC and Marvel and there are even amalgams of writers and editors. In Spider-Boy Team-Up #1, two different futures are seen. Spider-Boy noticing the differences of both futures, remembers he hasn't seen something like that since "The Secret Crisis of the Infinity Hour", suggesting an event involving multiple realities and timelines occurred. Finally, in the final episode of Unlimited Access, a new Amalgam Universe is not created, only new amalgamated characters which remember their own realities are created and when Access and "Dark Access" touch in a final struggle, both see glimpses of many amalgamated earths. Amalgam can't be part of the DC Universe as it can't be within The New 52 (no slots left) and they don't list it as one. Marvel designated Earth-9602 as Amalgam but what Amalgam Earth is Earth-9602? The mainstream?, ACAU?, Bizarro Spider-clones? Bat-X? Amalgam Earth Two? The whole Amalgam multiverse? The information in Wikipedia is accurate as it is the official statement from Marvel and should not be revised or edited. Is up to Marvel to revise this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.165.86.27 (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 9602 is the mainstream Amalgam universe. I don't know about the rest. Should they be on the main universe box? Batman3095 (talk) 19:25, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Earth-12041 ending and the others ends
On the known main universes, should there be a section of something like "last published" or "ended on/with"? I saw that some of the main universe have not been published in some time. Earth-12041 seems like it's coming to a close with the new Spider-Man series coming soon (the series is not a follow up to Ultimate Spider-Man). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batman3095 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 10 October 2016 (UTC)