Talk:Munir Hussain case

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Hi CoM

I think there is some overall confusion in how Wikipedia deals with events such as this. If someone is famous or infamous in their own right, such as J. K. Rowling or Papa Doc Duvalier, then a biographical entry of them is clearly the right way to go. However Munir Hussain is not famous in this way and, in my view, anything which is not relevant to the burglary and retaliation should not be in this Wikipedia entry.

OTOH if it is an event that is notable, such as the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, then the entry should be about the event and titled as such. But the event concerning Munir Hussain was about a burglary in High Wycombe, and clearly 2008 High Wycombe burglary is not a good title :)

I think the title as chosen: Munir Hussain and victims' rights, balances identifying the event, which people primarily identify or "google" through Munir Hussain, and signalling that it is not a biographical entry about Mr. Hussain.

The inconsistency in titling shows up even on this page with the link to the main entry on Tony Martin (farmer), which looks like it should be a biographical entry about Tony Martin whilst it is really all about his violent response to burglars on his property and the consequences.

So should the title be Munir Hussain and victims' rights, signalling that it is not a biographical entry, or Munir Hussain (businessman) to be consistent with Tony Martin (farmer)?

p.s. I think in one of our previous discussions I called it a home invasion, but it actually wasn't a home invasion as the burglars were in the house when the family returned - sorry

Aarghdvaark (talk) 15:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm flexible on the title and have no objection to calling the article by the person's name, but that was objected to in the AfD. If it's been changed sufficiently then maybe it's worth another try. If the predent form of title is going to be used I think maybe something more specific than "victim's rights" should be used. Home defense? I don't have a good answer. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've moved the article to 'Munir Hussain burglary incident' to be as specific as possible, and because I felt 'victim's rights' might be a bit POV in the title. Also, I think the article Home invasion in Britain should be merged into this one: while the title implies it's on a more general subject, it is in fact entirely about the Munir Hussain case as well. Robofish (talk) 23:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry I didn't notice this comment before - but could you propose making such a big change like this before making it please? Aarghdvaark (talk) 12:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

page move
Page was moved without discussion by Robofish (talk | contribs) m (9,296 bytes) (moved Munir Hussain and victims' rights to Munir Hussain burglary incident: This article is about this specific incident, rather than 'victim's rights' in general - previous name could be considered POV.)


 * I moved the page back without any broken links I think. There has been discussion about the page title before - see discussion section above which was continued from version recovered from the deleted page (see Home invasion in Britain). Anyway the title chosen by Robofish "Munir Hussain burglary incident" is clearly wrong, as the "incident" may not even be a burglary (although that appeared to be the motive at first). And the title "Munir Hussain and victims' rights" is not POV, simply reflecting the major media and politicians' focus on victim's rights. Aarghdvaark (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Can people please discuss major things like this before pushing ahead? And that goes for the original deletion of the page - Munir Hussain (Businessman). Aarghdvaark (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice Robofish's comment in section above. Sorry Aarghdvaark (talk) 09:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Merger
It has been suggested that 'Home invasion in Britain' and 'Munir Hussain and victims' rights' be merged. They are both about the same subject. I think 'Munir Hussain and victim's rights' has all the information which is in 'Home invasion in Britain', plus it contains more details about the subsequent court cases. So I think they should be merged, but what that actually would mean is that 'Munir Hussain and victim's rights' should remain much as it is whilst the page 'Home invasion in Britain' should either be redirected or simply deleted. Comments? Aarghdvaark (talk) 10:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, no response. So I'll put Home invasion in Britain forward for deletion ( AfD) unless people object?? Aarghdvaark (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As you rightly say, the current article is all about Munir Hussain. Content from this should be merged to Munir Hussain rather than lost, but otherwise Home invasion in Britain would be best deleted. I might have supported Home invasion in Britain as a notable topic (mostly to say to our dear cousins across the Pond, "This rarely happens, and even more rarely does anyone shoot anyone else"). If anyone wants to then write a broad article on it, they'd be as well taking it from the clean slate. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * OK I've merged the stuff from Home invasion in Britain. Aarghdvaark (talk) 17:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * And I've now redirected 'Home invasion in Britain' here. Aarghdvaark (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 8 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested. Dekimasu よ! 20:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Munir Hussain and victims' rights → Munir Hussain case – To match other UK legal cases such as Derek Bentley case, Andrew Evans case, Stephen Downing case. The current title is rather convoluted Moab12 (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


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