Talk:Murder!

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Requested move 15 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Overwhelmingly the consensus opposes this retitling. --  Dane talk  01:30, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Murder! (1930 film) → Murder! – There is no other film with the exact same name (the unrelated 2004 film excludes the ! from its title). Kailash29792 (talk) 08:51, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose the ! is neither unique to this film, nor always used of this film "..Murder (1930),", and "(1930 film)" does a lot better per WP:CRITERIA for a 1930 film than an exclamation mark. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose the problem is not much ,but the request itself is not necessary,the reason is unable to convince the reader.--Tr56tr (talk) 16:22, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:SMALLDETAILS.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 19:04, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per In ictu oculi, Tr56tr and Lugnuts. Although the redirect, Murder!, is not the main title header, it is still there, of course, enabling anyone familiar with this form to use it in accessing this title directly. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 21:56, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong support per nom, WP:SMALLDETAILS, WP:D, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CRITERIA, WP:TITLE and every other pertinent policy and guideline. Whether the ! belongs in the title is not at issue here - it's in both the current and proposed titles. The question is solely about whether "(1930 film)" is necessary to disambiguate this film from other uses of "Murder!" (with the !). Given that Murder! is currently a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article anyway, it is already established that this film is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Murder!".  There is no basis per WP:D or WP:COMMONNAME or anywhere in WP:TITLE to retain the unnecessary disambiguation. As to WP:SMALLDETAILS, it clearly supports the undisambiguated title in this case.  See also: Airplane!.  --В²C ☎ 18:35, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * These are all guidelines that you have been actively involved in attempting to get changed along the same lines as the "insult" to Michael Jackson comment at the RM you have proposed at Talk:Thriller (Michael Jackson album). Can I politely suggest you take a break from trying to change guidelines relating to titling and disambiguation? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and WP:SMALLDETAILS. Absolutely no different than Airplane!.  A hatnote to Murder (2004 film) should suffice, if desired.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 22:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Apart from the small matter that there are no other films called Airplane, hence why that is the primary topic.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 10:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose per In Ictu Oculi. The proposed title is not in any way WP:RECOGNIZEable as the film. The current title is very clear. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:07, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.